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I can't believe the BS that comes out of the worst president...

I can't believe the BS that comes out of the worst president...

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by: thegoodwife Active Indicator LED Icon 10 OP 
~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 5:28pm  
The nonsense he spews. Like he did such a great job. The sad part is he believes the crap coming out of his mouth. 4951
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TexasOma Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 5:50pm  
Worst yet is the liberals also believe the crap! They still worship the ground he walks on...the new savior!
 
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TexasOma Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 5:50pm  
Double tap!
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~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 5:56pm  
Removed By Request 4951
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sweetie Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator
~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 6:01pm  
42 hours left. Yayy!! 4951
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ConcernedNeighbor Active Indicator LED Icon  New Member
~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 7:02pm  
Sure, President Obama hasn't been the best president ever, but he's been pretty good, especially considering what he inherited... Also, to say the ACA is costing jobs is a) incorrect because there isn't really a correlation between healthcare and the macroeconomic employment rate, and b) the country is gaining jobs, whereas when Obama came into office we were losing thousands of jobs monthly. Also, can I point out that the ACA is extremely close to the Conservative/Republican plan for healthcare in the 90s, which was originally proposed by Richard Nixon. 4951
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~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 7:32pm  
Sure, President Obama hasn't been the best president ever, but he's been pretty good, especially considering what he inherited... Also, to say the ACA is costing jobs is a) incorrect because there isn't really a correlation between healthcare and the macroeconomic employment rate, and b) the country is gaining jobs, whereas when Obama came into office we were losing thousands of jobs monthly. Also, can I point out that the ACA is extremely close to the Conservative/Republican plan for healthcare in the 90s, which was originally proposed by Richard Nixon.
 
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People can't afford the ACA. It has been a failure. Obama lied to the American people...
...if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor
...premiums will go down 4951
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ConcernedNeighbor Active Indicator LED Icon  New Member
~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 7:41pm  
I wouldn't say it has been a failure, the fact that millions of more Americans can get health insurance is pretty awesome to me.A couple points. A lot of people who got thrown off their plan got BETTER coverage than before, not all, but a lot.Premiums have been rising since healthcare was created, but the rate that they have gone up has decreased. So, they would be much higher with what we had before.The reason premiums seem, and in a lot of cases are, unaffordable is because the ACA does not have a cost cap feature. So, insurance companies and healthcare providers can price-gouge the heck out of stuff so their profit is greater.Obamacare isn't the best, but it sure is better than what we had before. 4951
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~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 7:45pm  
January 17th, 2017What If Sick People Lose Their ObamaCare?Jane M. Orient, M.D.As Republicans contemplate repealing the Affordable Care Act (ACA or “ObamaCare”)—seriously, not just as a political gesture—alarms are sounding about millions of individuals losing coverage.So soon we have forgotten about the millions who lost coverage they had had for years because ObamaCare outlawed it.ObamaCare resulted in perhaps five times as many losers as winners—even counting just those who ended up with more expensive or less desirable coverage. If you count the taxpayers, the tally of losers is much higher. But with government largesse, the losers—the ones who have their earnings taken away—are “forgotten men.”Anyone who has government-funded benefits taken away, on the other hand, becomes a victim.The best poster children are cancer victims. They face a premature, particularly nasty death. Who would deny someone’s mother or 4-year-old daughter the chance of a cure, even if the chemotherapy costs more than $100,000?ObamaCare would. Exchange plans have excluded the best cancer hospitals from their narrow networks. Medicaid would. It might call the treatment “experimental” or “not cost-effective.” Medicare would, possibly just because the patient is “too old” or “too young.” Unless the particular victim can be featured in a PR campaign to “save ObamaCare,” she might be “better off with the pain pill,” as President Obama put it.And let’s not forget how the FDA has driven the costs of drug approval sky-high, suppresses therapies that have no prospect of turning billion-dollar profits, and protects manufacturers against competition when the drug is about to go off patent. The anti-leukemia drug Gleevec, for example, cost $26,000 per year in 2001, a price called “high but fair,” considering the cost of research and the need for profits. It is $146,000 a year today, but the introduction of cheaper generics in the U.S. is being delayed.Why can such prices be sustained? Because third parties sometimes pay them. One ObamaCare plan reportedly pays $10,488 per month for Gleevec, from a pharmacy with which it apparently has an arrangement, although it might be available from Walgreen’s for $4,400, and from other pharmacies for still less. What would the hapless patient do if her Exchange plan went out of business (maybe because Republicans took away its subsidies or maybe because it just failed)? One option would be to go to India and buy a year’s supply of a generic version of Gleevec for $400. (The cost of manufacture is $159.) In fact, the manufacturer might well give her the drug to buff up its image. But drug companies really love the third-party payment schemes, just like big hospitals do.Do the designers of ACA—which would be more aptly named the Unaffordable Care Act—really care about cancer patients? Such patients may be useful props for lobbying, but they don’t help achieve the reformers’ stated goal of maximizing “population health.” Prolonging the lives of sick people reduces the average health score. Money spent on Gleevec is diverted from reducing disparities, achieving “quality” quotas, and paying for the information technology and administrators to “document” all that (and sell the data).The current “healthcare delivery” system, including entitlement programs (e.g. Medicare and Medicaid), is about the redistribution of wealth and the control of medical care, which enables control of the population. The idea of comprehensive third-party payment for all medical care (all that is allowed) destroys medicine—the care of the sick—while placing unsustainable burdens on the economy.The people who are terrified about losing their ObamaCare “coverage” are the very ones at greatest risk of losing their lives if ObamaCare is perpetuated.Real reform would put patients back at the center and demote insurance companies to their proper function of reimbursing subscribers for the costs of unexpected catastrophes. Costs would plummet, and innovation would soar.While the free market is building much better facilities, some patients will be caught in the transition. But we should be concerned about their actual care, not their coverage. They can be helped in many ways, without destroying arrangements that work for the 99 percent. Perhaps a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for those helping to pay for their treatment?What if we said that those who like their government medicine can keep it? Just let the rest of us go. 4951
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~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 8:00pm  
I hate to point out obamacare meet its requirements. Getting people on a plan, and having a plan.
Even the right is now taking about replacing it, while 7 years ago it was we don't need it.
 
So even if the right replaces it, it is still there.
 
So, mission accomplished.
 
Even if we don't know what is in it until it passes. 4951
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~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 8:03pm  
Alright, let's unpack this.I love when Republicans complain about taxpayer burden when it comes to things like education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc., but not when we spend billions on a war we didn't have to fight, or corporate welfare, or porkbarrel projects that are only created to win reelection. Here's a good article on why "millions of people losing coverage" is misleading http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/Those same cancer patients would not be able to get coverage without Obamacare because it would be considered a pre-existing condition, which insurance companies wouldn't cover because it is more expensive. Also, isn't something to be said when repealing Obamacare would actually LOSE us money http://fortune.com/2015/06/19/obamacare-repeal-cost/I don't know about you, but I'd rather my tax dollars go to helping people who need healthcare coverage than to Exxon. 4951
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ConcernedNeighbor Active Indicator LED Icon  New Member
~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 8:06pm  
Also, may I ask where you copy and pasted that article from? I can't find it 4951
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~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 8:23pm  
Also, to say the ACA is costing jobs is correct 

@ConcernedNeighbor: I fixed it for you. I'm a P & C agent that writes ins for large accounts (we also do the group health for my clients). I see if with every one of my clients-they've had to cut salary's-cut employees-cut benefits-or go into a hiring freeze or all of the above because of the costs and mandates of the ACA, Just a fact-you are watching too much CNN with you're eyes closed to the real world if you believe any different.Its a cluster***** that was written with so many stupid and silly mandates it will make your head spin for both ins co's and insured to keep up with all them. Could of been written so much simpler with a few of the mandates that actually did some good without the stupid ones.  
 
 
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~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 8:28pm  
Those same cancer patients would not be able to get coverage without Obamacare because it would be considered a pre-existing condition, which insurance companies wouldn't cover because it is more expensive.

@ConcernedNeighbor: Before you spout off stuff you have no idea about-do you know they had pools for folks with pre-x (I had 15-20 clients signed up pre-OC-which is when they went away). Did you know these pools had the same cov'g as a typical BCBS policy and was only about 15 to 20% more in premium? Edit-did you also know the only requirement to sign up and be insured with the pool program as to be turned by one standard health insurer? And there were no pre-x condition exclusion, coverage started right away, I could go on but it was a great program for those needing it without mixing health insureds with unhealthy ones.
 
 
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ConcernedNeighbor Active Indicator LED Icon  New Member
~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 8:31pm  
I don't watch CNN, so I'm just gonna go with numbers and stuff.Obamacare helps small business; it provides tax credits to smaller firms which, in turn, attracts employees and allows the firm to hire them.Sure, your situation is awful and needs to be addressed, but if Obamacare is such a job killer, why is the unemployment rate as low as it is?Also, states that have embraced Obamacare do much better than those that don't. For example, Ohio governor John Kasich complied with Obamacare and expanded Medicaid so that he could, in essence, get tons of "free" federal money from the government, whereas I don't believe Texas did so, and could be a factor in a situation like your's. 4951
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~ 7 years ago   Jan 18, '17 8:41pm  
I wouldn't say I have no idea about healthcare-I'm pretty well educated about it, but I won't go to personal attacks, because I don't have to. I'll provide an anecdotal example for why getting covered with a pre-existing condition was nearly impossible before.My father's friend had gotten his insurance through his company, and because he had a certain pre-existing heart condition, he was afraid to move jobs because he would lose his healthcare insurance. Then, in 2007, he lost his job and his healthcare. The problem was, he made too much to qualify for Medicaid, but too little to afford the ridiculous amount insurance companies were charging him for his coverage. All he could do was wait until he hit retirement age so he could start using Medicare. What I'm saying is the fact that somebody could get turned away because of something they don't have control over is wrong. 4951
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