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by: kpdad Active Indicator LED Icon 5 OP 
~ 11 years ago   Nov 7, '12 10:32pm  
In the aftermath of tragedy, I'm writing as somebody who has given tens of thousands of dollars since 2008 to Republican causes, including both PAC's and individual candidates.   I said from the start that Romney as the GOP candidate was disastrous because he was nothing more than a moderate stooge whose flip-flopping would eventually destroy his credibility.  There were those here--Cabanski, speak up now--who claimed Romney was a true conservative, certainly not a moderate, the most honest and best choice the GOP could provide (after all, we love Romney so much that we made him run for the candidacy twice).  The bandwagon effect in full force, I suppose. Result?  We lost.  Again.  Hell, Romney and Ryan lost their own states.  Now, the popular vote was razor-thin (essentially a 50-50 split) but we lost where it mattered most in the swing states--not Florida, not Ohio, not Virginia.  Basically, the independents we needed to convince were not convinced. How can we prevent this from happening again?  It's not the Obama effect, it's the Republican failure on trial here.  GOP, STOP RUNNING MODERATE CANDIDATES.  Listen to the Tea Party.  Listen to the real conservatives, the ones giving you check upon check to take back America.  Listen to us, not the political consultants paid to dominate the conservative blogs and media, who in turn feed us the garbage. In the words of a Tea Party activist:"We wanted a fighter like Ronald Reagan who boldly championed America’s founding principles, who inspired millions of independents and ‘Reagan Democrats’ to join us, and who fought his leftist opponents on the idea that America, as founded, was a ‘Shining city upon a hill.’ Instead what we got was a weak moderate candidate, hand-picked by the Beltway elites and country-club establishment wing of the Republican Party." www.breitbart.com/Bi g-Government/2012/11 /06/Tea-Party-Declar es-WAR-On-GOP-E 4951
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Horsemagic Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 11 years ago   Nov 7, '12 10:40pm  
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 5:51am  
@kpdad Frank Luntz said that the blue hairs didnt come out and vote. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 6:59am  
In the aftermath of tragedy, I'm writing as somebody who has given tens of thousands of dollars since 2008 to Republican causes, including both PAC's and individual candidates.   I said from the start that Romney as the GOP candidate was disastrous because he was nothing more than a moderate stooge whose flip-flopping would eventually destroy his credibility.  There were those here--Cabanski, speak up now--who claimed Romney was a true conservative, certainly not a moderate, the most honest and best choice the GOP could provide (after all, we love Romney so much that we made him run for the candidacy twice).  The bandwagon effect in full force, I suppose. Result?  We lost.  Again.  Hell, Romney and Ryan lost their own states.  Now, the popular vote was razor-thin (essentially a 50-50 split) but we lost where it mattered most in the swing states--not Florida, not Ohio, not Virginia.  Basically, the independents we needed to convince were not convinced. How can we prevent this from happening again?  It's not the Obama effect, it's the Republican failure on trial here.  GOP, STOP RUNNING MODERATE CANDIDATES.  Listen to the Tea Party.  Listen to the real conservatives, the ones giving you check upon check to take back America.  Listen to us, not the political consultants paid to dominate the conservative blogs and media, who in turn feed us the garbage. In the words of a Tea Party activist:"We wanted a fighter like Ronald Reagan who boldly championed America’s founding principles, who inspired millions of independents and ‘Reagan Democrats’ to join us, and who fought his leftist opponents on the idea that America, as founded, was a ‘Shining city upon a hill.’ Instead what we got was a weak moderate candidate, hand-picked by the Beltway elites and country-club establishment wing of the Republican Party." www.breitbart.com/Bi g-Government/2012/11 /06/Tea-Party-Declar es-WAR-On-GOP-E
 
@kpdad: I completely agree. We need to fight fire with fire, mud with mud. We need to quit being NICE to people who do not care about being NICE. Instead of turning the other cheek, we need to kick them in the other cheek. I have noticed "they" are already talking about who OUR next canidate will be. I did not see rand Paul's name on the list. I guess he is TOO Conservative.
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 8:14am  
There is a new part in play also that I noticed this go around. Not that it has not been there in the past, but more noticeable I think because of who is in the WH.A lot more people seemed to be afraid of losing their government benefits this go round.It was way more than the welfare folks.Just an observation on my part. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 8:20am  
Get our kids out of Government ran schools!!!!!!! For 15 years Government has increasingly pushed through their beliefs onto our kids through the public school system and guess what....THEY ARE VOTERS NOW!!!! 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 8:23am  
A lot more people seemed to be afraid of losing their government benefits this go round.It was way more than the welfare folks.Just an observation on my part.
 
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I think the choice of Ryan as running mate really turned away a lot of blue haired voters who rely on social Security Disabiliy/Retirement and Medicaid/Medicare. There is a reason that historically it's been political poison to talk about messing with those programs.
 
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 8:26am  
Texas was its own country before...we could do it again!
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 8:26am  
I heard that the Republican Party is 'too white'.
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 8:29am  
Texas was its own country before...we could do it again!
 
@Horsemagic: New Republic of Texas has made a petition, they have requested to our Governor that we at least have the right to vote on it and be prepared to do it if needed.No one "really" wants this but many of us know it may very well have to be an option if things get worst.http://newrepublicoftexas.com/petition-4/
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kpdad Active Indicator LED Icon 5 OP 
~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 8:43am  
There is a new part in play also that I noticed this go around. Not that it has not been there in the past, but more noticeable I think because of who is in the WH.A lot more people seemed to be afraid of losing their government benefits this go round.It was way more than the welfare folks.Just an observation on my part.
 
@FoFa: The problem is that for two straight electoral cycles, the GOP has ignored its conservative base and run moderate candidates who take the middle road.  As a non-ideological independent voter, who would you prefer--the similar-sounding candidate who promises (seemingly free!) Big Government benefits or the similar-sounding candidate who changes his mind, can't promise much, and ends up agreeing with Obama on major issues?McCain was among the first to endorse Romney.  That should have been an ominous sign.  Yet there were those who kept trying to convince us that Romney was a true right-wing conservative who was electable and credible.  The proof is in the voting: independent voters in swing states did not buy his platform.  All those billions of dollars that the conservative SuperPAC's and corporate donors poured didn't matter.  All the money I gave to the campaign didn't matter.  At the end of the day, if you don't run a true conservative, then what results is not a clash of ideas and ideologies (liberalism vs conservativism) but a clash of personalities--and Obama is simply put a much more charismatic liar.
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 9:05am  
The problem is that for two straight electoral cycles, the GOP has ignored its conservative base and run moderate candidates who take the middle road. 
 
@kpdad: Oh I don't disagree, but will that overcome the conservative view of cutting spending no matter who gets hurt?
My 80 year old parents voted for Obama this go round. First time that recall them ever voting NOT republican.Not because Mitt was a moderate, but because they were afraid of losing their medical benefits.They already lost the retirement medical benefits from GM, and living on a fixed income can't afford to incur more cost.Yes I know there is a whole slew of that is part of the current administrations fault. But not the way they see it. I'm not saying a moderate is the right approach, but conservative need to look into other things than cutting taxes and screwing the older people. My parents and others are of the ilk that they paid their dues, cut the welfare people and cheats of the system before cutting their benefits.Just an observation of a segment that use to vote GOP. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 9:41am  
It amazes me that the GOP cannot find a younger, hipper, canidate than they have trottted out the last two elections. I've voted republican the last two elections not in full support of the canidate but because it was my only option. There has to be a under 50, fiscally conservative, former military, physically attractive, charasmatic  republican senator or govenor somewhere in this country. If the GOP lets an idiot like Karl Rove or Newt Gingrich or John McCain anywhere near the election process in 2016 we can kiss another election good bye. Obama and the Dems beat us the same way Clinton did He was younger, hipper and he was appealing to a majority of the female voters. Wake up GOP! You dont' have to change your policies just change your packaging. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 9:45am  
It amazes me that the GOP cannot find a younger, hipper, canidate than they have trottted out the last two elections. I've voted republican the last two elections not in full support of the canidate but because it was my only option. There has to be a under 50, fiscally conservative, former military, physically attractive, charasmatic  republican senator or govenor somewhere in this country. If the GOP lets an idiot like Karl Rove or Newt Gingrich or John McCain anywhere near the election process in 2016 we can kiss another election good bye. Obama and the Dems beat us the same way Clinton did He was younger, hipper and he was appealing to a majority of the female voters. Wake up GOP! You dont' have to change your policies just change your packaging.
 
@hpandll: Got my Allen West 2016 mind ready to go! But I think he is 51 or 52....so may not be the right man for you....HA!
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 9:54am  

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>> It amazes me that the GOP cannot find a younger, hipper, canidate than they have trottted out the last two elections. I've voted republican the last two elections not in full support of the canidate but because it was my only option. There has to be a under 50, fiscally conservative, former military, physically attractive, charasmatic  republican senator or govenor somewhere in this country. If the GOP lets an idiot like Karl Rove or Newt Gingrich or John McCain anywhere near the election process in 2016 we can kiss another election good bye. Obama and the Dems beat us the same way Clinton did He was younger, hipper and he was appealing to a majority of the female voters. Wake up GOP! You dont' have to change your policies just change your packaging.
@hpandll: 
 
Got my Allen West 2016 mind ready to go! But I think he is 51 or 52....so may not be the right man for you....HA!
@Burnsway: I predict you will see 3-4 canidates of the under 50 set, very little grey hair and all in good shape. Politcs in the US has become a reality tv show at this point. I can't stand most of the Dem's policies but they know how to work the crowd. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Nov 8, '12 9:33pm  

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>> There is a new part in play also that I noticed this go around. Not that it has not been there in the past, but more noticeable I think because of who is in the WH.A lot more people seemed to be afraid of losing their government benefits this go round.It was way more than the welfare folks.Just an observation on my part.
 
@FoFa: The problem is that for two straight electoral cycles, the GOP has ignored its conservative base and run moderate candidates who take the middle road.  As a non-ideological independent voter, who would you prefer--the similar-sounding candidate who promises (seemingly free!) Big Government benefits or the similar-sounding candidate who changes his mind, can't promise much, and ends up agreeing with Obama on major issues?McCain was among the first to endorse Romney.  That should have been an ominous sign.  Yet there were those who kept trying to convince us that Romney was a true right-wing conservative who was electable and credible.  The proof is in the voting: independent voters in swing states did not buy his platform.  All those billions of dollars that the conservative SuperPAC's and corporate donors poured didn't matter.  All the money I gave to the campaign didn't matter.  At the end of the day, if you don't run a true conservative, then what results is not a clash of ideas and ideologies (liberalism vs conservativism) but a clash of personalities--and Obama is simply put a much more charismatic liar.
 
@kpdad: Rush has been advocating that for years. He strongly believes that IF we run and support a TRUE conservative, Tea Party, type candidate we will be victorious. The country will start to return to it's Constitutional valvues. He says thatr is how Ronald Reagan got the people, Democrat and Republican to vote for him. DO NOT be afraid to speak about your values.
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