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Where is the personal responsibility?

Where is the personal responsibility?

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by: donnatella Active Indicator LED Icon 13 Forum Moderator  OP 
~ 7 years ago   Mar 22, '17 9:45pm  
First of all, what happened to her was horrible, but when you are under-aged but legally an adult (19YO), drinking and partying, drink so much you lose control and pass out, have to sleep it off in a parked car, and you wake up to a personal attack, you cannot blame the HLSR. You especially can't blame this organization when this happens 2 months BEFORE rodeo season and the trailride's arrival into the sanctioned event in Memorial Park.
 
Can't sue the two attackers because they are criminals, although they have been prosecuted, tried, convicted, jailed, the served their time and already released...no money there.
 
Soooo...this lawsuit is purely a money grab...chasing after the money in the deep pockets.
 
This is NOT a matter of lack of safety and poor security. This is about lack of personal accountability and personal responsibility. How many times, over and over again, are girls and women warned about being alert, aware and in control? How can you act so out of control, then go a sue an unrelated volunteer organization? 4951
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sweetie Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator
~ 7 years ago   Mar 22, '17 9:47pm  
Didn't this happen in 2012? 4951
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donnatella Active Indicator LED Icon 13 Forum Moderator  OP 
~ 7 years ago   Mar 22, '17 9:51pm  
Didn't this happen in 2012?
 
@sweetie: Yes, but she's just now getting around to the money grab...ummm...lawsuits.
 
This is NOT the HLSR's responsibility. If this logic is used, anyone even remotely involved with the rodeo, that ever associates wth the rodeo can be unjustly tied to them at any time, and anyone can look to HSLR for money.
 
Surely the court will not let this stand.
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Pdiddyc Active Indicator LED Icon  New Member
~ 7 years ago   Mar 22, '17 10:09pm  
This post is incredibly disturbing and more so if it was written by a woman. Do you recall being 19? It's a tough age where adult guidance is necessary. It takes a village. If this young woman who was under age was drinking, an adult should have intervened. I would hope that someone would if it were my daughter.
 
If this is truly a "money grab", she would be awarded at most $250,000. How much of that do you think would go to her attorneys? She would end up with maybe enough money for a semester of college.
 
When a woman drinks too much and is sexually assaulted, the personal responsibility does not fall on her. No means no always. I will take responsibility. Because as parents we should do better. We should teach our sons respect and allow our daughters to reach out to us in honesty. If I could remove the burden of this young woman's guilt, I would.
 
I would like to make a suggestion that you watch a documentary about two young women who were sexually assaulted. One is alive and the other killed herself. This post was slut shaming cyber bullying at its true definition.
 
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~ 7 years ago   Mar 22, '17 11:08pm  
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~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 12:09am  
This post is incredibly disturbing and more so if it was written by a woman. Do you recall being 19? It's a tough age where adult guidance is necessary. It takes a village. If this young woman who was under age was drinking, an adult should have intervened. I would hope that someone would if it were my daughter.
 
If this is truly a "money grab", she would be awarded at most $250,000. How much of that do you think would go to her attorneys? She would end up with maybe enough money for a semester of college.
 
When a woman drinks too much and is sexually assaulted, the personal responsibility does not fall on her. No means no always. I will take responsibility. Because as parents we should do better. We should teach our sons respect and allow our daughters to reach out to us in honesty. If I could remove the burden of this young woman's guilt, I would.
 
I would like to make a suggestion that you watch a documentary about two young women who were sexually assaulted. One is alive and the other killed herself. This post was slut shaming cyber bullying at its true definition.
 
 
@Pdiddyc: What did I just read? LOL
 
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Pdiddyc Active Indicator LED Icon  New Member
~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 12:47am  
It is against the law for someone under the age of 21 to drink in Texas. If this child was not 21 how was she getting drinks? I would not supply alcohol to someone under the age of 21 because one, it is against the law and two, if something happens, because of me supplying someone underage with alcohol, I could be held criminally liable.
 
If that girl who passed out in her car and had driven drunk and killed someone (thank God she didn't), who do you think the victims family would sue if they decided to sue?
 
Someone said something like how many times have we told women to be alert? Which I took as victim blaming. Because it is. "Oh Becky, so sorry you were raped but we had told you over and over to stay alert."
 
Again, it takes a village and it takes all kinds. Even idiots who teach their children that it's okay to make mistakes.
 
I enjoy reading these message boards because most of the time it's pretty funny even when it's not.
 
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donnatella Active Indicator LED Icon 13 Forum Moderator  OP 
~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 3:11am  
Do you recall being 19? It's a tough age where adult guidance is necessary. It takes a village.
 
@Pdiddyc: Are you serious? It takes a village? This person was 19, and a legal adult in the eyes of the law. Too young to legally drink but still an adult in all other aspects.
 
This logic blames everyone else for an adult's poor choices.
 
And how in the world is it HSLR's responsibility to give her a payday, 5 years later? It was not on the HSLR grounds, not at a HSLR event, and not HSLR personnel.
 
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~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 3:13am  
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~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 5:48am  
drink so much you lose control and pass out, have to sleep it off in a parked car, and you wake up to a personal attack,
 
@donnatella:
Yup ! This happened to me too but I ended up just letting her attack me and if you don't believe me see below this is a scary stat
 
www.google.com/amp/s /www.theatlantic.com /amp/article/503492/
 
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Pdiddyc Active Indicator LED Icon  New Member
~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 5:51am  
We must be talking about two different events because I'm not sure what HSLR is. I was talking about the HLSR.
 
There is obvious victim blaming. The post is titled "Where is the personal responsibility..."?
 
In the example I mentioned earlier, the victim's family would not sue Budweiser (not sure what you have against them). They would sue the establishment that served the under aged drunk driver. It happens time and time again.
 
I will also say that I read and comprehend on a different level. I'm educated. So yes, once again reading and comprehension could be the problem here. 4951
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donnatella Active Indicator LED Icon 13 Forum Moderator  OP 
~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 6:13am  
She said in her "press conferencel" that at first, she thought I was her boyfriend on top of her and then when she realized it wasn't, started fighting. A clear, sober head could have helped her fight, scream sooner, and had a fighting chance to avoid what happened.
 
A clear head might have also locked the car, set the alarm or maybe not needed to sleep it off in public. Hey, there's an idea!
 
The kicker was her babbling father could barely put a full sentence together, after 5 years of planning and prep, stopping himself from letting it slip that they were suing HLSR "cuz they've got the money." Even their attorney couldn't give clear convincing reasoning why why were suing HLSR.
 
Bottom line, this was not a stranger in the dark corner attack and HLSR was not the venue owner and certainly NOT the bartender forcing her to have way too many. 4951
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~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 6:56am  
So, we don't know for certain that the 19-year drank, illegally mind you, alcohol at the rodeo? Are they certain she was served alcohol at the rodeo?
 
The 19-year old does bear some responsibility for her choices, no doubt, but I agree here...the organization is NOT responsible.
 
Have they sued the car manufacturer for not automatically locking the car? Apparently, THAT didn't keep her safe, so it was the cars fault...clearly!
 
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sweetie Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator
~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 7:06am  
So, we don't know for certain that the 19-year drank, illegally mind you, alcohol at the rodeo? Are they certain she was served alcohol at the rodeo?
 
The 19-year old does bear some responsibility for her choices, no doubt, but I agree here...the organization is NOT responsible.
 
Have they sued the car manufacturer for not automatically locking the car? Apparently, THAT didn't keep her safe, so it was the cars fault...clearly!
 
 
@jax:
 
This happened on a trail ride on the way to the rodeo.the trail riders had stopped for the night. She and others had been drinking and she passed out and her boyfriend put her in a car so she'd be safe. One of the 2 guys who raped her is the son of the trail boss. He's back on the trail this year. She's suing the Houston Rodeo. They had nothing to do with this. This would be like my neighbors and I getting drunk and falling and hitting our head while watching the stars and then suing NASA because they said we could see the Big Dipper. 4951
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donnatella Active Indicator LED Icon 13 Forum Moderator  OP 
~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 7:31am  

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>> So, we don't know for certain that the 19-year drank, illegally mind you, alcohol at the rodeo? Are they certain she was served alcohol at the rodeo?
 
The 19-year old does bear some responsibility for her choices, no doubt, but I agree here...the organization is NOT responsible.
 
Have they sued the car manufacturer for not automatically locking the car? Apparently, THAT didn't keep her safe, so it was the cars fault...clearly!
 

@jax:
 
This happened on a trail ride on the way to the rodeo.the trail riders had stopped for the night. She and others had been drinking and she passed out and her boyfriend put her in a car so she'd be safe. One of the 2 guys who raped her is the son of the trail boss. He's back on the trail this year. She's suing the Houston Rodeo. They had nothing to do with this. This would be like my neighbors and I getting drunk and falling and hitting our head while watching the stars and then suing NASA because they said we could see the Big Dipper.
 
@sweetie: Are they on the trail ride coming to Houston 2 months before the rodeo? I know some spend 2-3 weeks on the ride but never heard of 2 months. This was a trail ride event but not part of the rodeo. 4951
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~ 7 years ago   Mar 23, '17 7:42am  
The problem is this event  was not associated with the rodeo at all. This "club" ( or whatever this group of Trail riders call themselves) was holding an event 2 months prior to the rodeo- NOT in association with the rodeo. Perhaps a fundraiser to defray costs of the ride to the rodeo BUT the entity of the Houston Lvestock and Rodeo Show was no way involved so I can't see how they can be sued?? 4951
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