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"I honestly don't personally know any liberals who do not like our constitution."Let's refresh your memory:Obama - "But I think it is an imperfect document, and I think it is a document that reflects some deep flaws in American culture, the Colonial culture nascent at that time"Do you know Obama?http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-due-process-gun-control-2016-6


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Let's not forget that he called the constitution a "charter of negative liberties."  In the lib view the constitution puts limits on what the government can do for (or to) you.  In my view the constitution is very much about positive liberties of the free man.  Freedoms that are given not by the government but by our creator.

Jan 11, 2017 - 12:51 pm
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gee you poor folks are gonna have a hard time having conversations after obama leaves office aintcha? somehow a ****ing stupid assumption morphs into a bash obama moment. 

Jan 11, 2017 - 03:29 pm
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"I honestly don't personally know any liberals who do not like our constitution."Let's refresh your memory:Obama - "But I think it is an imperfect document, and I think it is a document that reflects some deep flaws in American culture, the Colonial culture nascent at that time"Do you know Obama?http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-due-process-gun-control-2016-6
@fcabanski: Let's not forget that he called the constitution a "charter of negative liberties."  In the lib view the constitution puts limits on what the government can do for (or to) you.  In my view the constitution is very much about positive liberties of the free man.  Freedoms that are given not by the government but by our creator.


@Ol Dirty:  actually the constitution was designed to restrict. our fore founders knew what their purposes were. there is much documentation to support this.  i'm sorry i really don't want to give you a history lesson right now. please do your own research.


Jan 11, 2017 - 03:34 pm
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gee you poor folks are gonna have a hard time having conversations after obama leaves office aintcha? somehow a ****ing stupid assumption morphs into a bash obama moment. 


@ProblemAgain: when they are done bashing Obama they will go into ignoring how many promises Trump is breaking. they won't want to talk about that. then will be the time to repost all the wonderful things they said about him caring about the common man. trump cares about face time. trump cares about trump.



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gee you poor folks are gonna have a hard time having conversations after obama leaves office aintcha? somehow a ****ing stupid assumption morphs into a bash obama moment. 
@ProblemAgain: when they are done bashing Obama they will go into ignoring how many promises Trump is breaking. they won't want to talk about that. then will be the time to repost all the wonderful things they said about him caring about the common man. trump cares about face time. trump cares about trump.


@aggiegmom:

No. You're about as accurate as a weatherman that predicts rain in the desert every day.
Republicans hold their elected officials to a higher standard. Unlike the libs.

Jan 11, 2017 - 03:55 pm
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when they are done bashing Obama they will go into ignoring how many promises Trump is breaking. they won't want to talk about that. then will be the time to repost all the wonderful things they said about him caring about the common man. trump cares about face time. trump cares about trump.


@aggiegmom: Barack Obama had over 16 appearances on talk shows during his presidency, with travel on Air Force One and all expenses paid for by the tax payer. Who cares about face time?



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when they are done bashing Obama they will go into ignoring how many promises Trump is breaking. they won't want to talk about that. then will be the time to repost all the wonderful things they said about him caring about the common man. trump cares about face time. trump cares about trump.
@aggiegmom: Barack Obama had over 16 appearances on talk shows during his presidency, with travel on Air Force One and all expenses paid for by the tax payer. Who cares about face time?


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16 appearances in 8 years? the horror of it! meanwhile the cost to nyc for providing security for the president elect in his trump tower is an ongoing tab for the city that also gave him tax forgiveness and tax breaks

New York City Seeks $35 Million in Federal Funds to Protect Donald Trump

Updated: Dec 05, 2016 2:53 PM Central

New York City is requesting $35 million from the federal government to cover security costs for President-elect Donald Trump.

Trump has spent much of his time since the election at his Trump Tower apartment in midtown Manhattan, forcing steep costs for the city as police work with the Secret Service to amp up security in the area. That comes out to be $1 million a day to protect Trump and his family, Mayor Bill de Blasio said back in November.

The city is now seeking federal funds to pay for the security costs through Jan. 20, when Trump will be inaugurated, as well as money to cover ongoing costs during his presidency, Bloomberg reported. Trump has indicated he will frequently return to New York, while his wife, Melania Trump, and their 10-year-old son Barron are not immediately moving to the White House.

"This is truly unusual, it’s the first time we’ve had NYPD providing such a crucial role providing security for a president-elect," de Blasio told reporters during a news conference on Monday. "I remain hopeful because when you see other instances when New York City provided security we got good reimbursement."


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Two Million Dollars a Day to Protect Trump and his Family, But It's About to Get a Lot More Expensive...


Trump Tower security
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 The Wildfire is an opinion platform and any opinions or information put forth by contributors are exclusive to them and do not represent the views of IJR.

Protecting the President of the United States and his family is a costly undertaking. Toss in Donald Trump's New York City penthouse and Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida, and protecting this president and his family is going to be very costly.

Add reports that Melania and 10-year-old son Barron will continue living at Trump Tower through the end of Barron's school year in June, and the cost goes even higher.

Sources told The New York Post  the Secret Service is negotiating with the Trump Organization to take over two floors of Trump Tower, and will run a 24/7 command post with the New York Police Department — 40 floors below Trump’s $90 million penthouse.

Trump's situation is unique in that taxpayers will be paying Trump's own corporation for the cost of the two floors and related infrastructure — aside from the normal costs of Secret Service agents, staff, and equipment and barriers.

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Image Credit: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

As president, Trump and his family will be protected by more than 920 Secret Service agents and support personnel in both Washington D.C. and New York City, as reported by NBC News.

Right now, the cost to taxpayers is more than $2 million a day, the documents show, a number that is sure to increase whenever the president or the first lady travels — or when the threat level rises.
Meanwhile, the New York Police Department is already handling external security at Trump Tower, the president-elect's Manhattan home base, at an estimated cost of $1 million per day.

Terry Sullivan of the White House Transition Project explained the complexity.

"You have to be able to conduct a global war from the front porch — that is just the reality of the situation.
They would need at least a whole floor, and every apartment on that floor would need to be turned into an office."

Complicating matters further — and driving up costs even more — is Trump's plan to return to New York on weekends to spend time with Melania and Barron.

Image Credit: Chip Somodevilla
Image Credit: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

Former Secret Service agent, Evy Poumpouras, hopes Trump will change his mind.

"This is one of those situations where they really should have an honest conversation with him and just really explain to him that this is not a good idea.
To physically re-create the security that exists at the White House in New York City, it's not going to happen.
There's buses going by. There's trucks going by. When that detonates, that building is not going to withstand that blast."

However, having the government as a major tenant would be a boon for Trump Tower, which has seen sales and rentals drop by nearly 40 percent in the past year — due in large part to stepped-up security and protests.

Image Credit: Spencer Platt/Getty Images
Image Credit: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

A top New York real estate broker told The Post that wealthy tenants aren't happy.

“They can’t get into their own homes without being stopped and frisked and having to show ID. These are wealthy people. They don’t need this, and they can’t take it any longer.
They no longer want to stay there. Some of them are already planning on moving out, and they’ll decide later whether or not they want to sell."

Hey, who wouldn't want to see the “Naked Cowboy,” as he's known, perform in the lobby after coming home from a long, hard day at work?

Image Credit: Spencer Platt/Getty Images
Image Credit: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

Then there's Mar-a-Lago

Trump's 126-room, 110,000-square-foot mansion in Palm Beach, Florida, will also get a makeover by the Secret Service, as Sullivan explained.

“The Secret Service regularly upgrades a president's off-campus residence. Typically, it includes security apparatus and global communications.”
Image Credit: Evan Agostini
Image Credit: Evan Agostini/Getty Images

Finally, the Trumps will have some adjusting to do, regardless of where they might be at any given time, as former Secret Service agent Jonathan Wackrow told NBC.

"Secret Service protection is the most intrusive thing that anyone could ever experience. We experience parts of your life, but we're also there in those private times when things aren't good — family arguments, family loss.
We're there when staff goes away and the military goes away. The only ones left are the Secret Service agents. We're there 24 hours a day, 365 days a year."

Two questions remain: how will the maverick that is Donald Trump react to the intrusion and how will taxpayers react to the cost?


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the constitution a "charter of negative liberties."


@Ol Dirty:

if you actually think about what he meant, a charter of negative liberties means that you are allowed to do all things other than that precluded by the constitution. kind of like an hoa document is a charter of negative liberties because it tells you what you CAN'T do rather than trying to list the things you are allowed to or that texas nonzoning allows you to do pretty much ANYTHING you want with your property within health and safety codes. thus i can decide i want to run a hogfeeding operation and a slaughterhouse if i choose to and the neighbors can suck wind

Jan 11, 2017 - 04:54 pm
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Admittedly I did not read everything. Just enough to get the general theme of the thread. Whenever I read or hear other's opinions  that all or even the majority of any group of people are one way or another as a group then I pretty much assume that someone hasn't been exposed to a lot of diversity.  Whether it is politics, religion, race, culture, ethnicity, or sexual preference, that is being referenced I can not imagine making such broad brushed assumptions about people and their value systems, work ethic, morality, etc that is so often done here and on other forums.  

 I am older than a lot of you.  I still can't really define myself after all of these years. I agree with some issues that are very conservative, and I have other views that are pretty liberal, lol.  I do know I am not unAmerican, lazy, racist, or any other fill-in-the-blank common generalities made when discussing the OPs topic. 

Most people I know are not so easily defined as a conservative, liberal, or anything in between. I have friends and family that pretty much run the entire spectrum of political views.  A few are so adamant in their view points that we just agree to not discuss the issues, but most are intelligent and thought provoking individuals that can defend their point of view without lowering themselves to insults and pettiness and false generalizations.  

I think when people decide they know what any specific group of individuals believe, think and hold true that it shows a lack of exposure to people that are different than they are. That is why I love travel so much.  I think there would be a lot less war and a lot less hate if people could travel the world and experience that even though we are a species made up of many different flavors, at our core we are not really all that different from each other. That is not to say that we have to agree, but it does mean that we can accept that it is an unrealistic expectation to think that all of any of one particular group of people is so singular in thinking that their ideals can be put in a nice tidy box. 

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16 appearances in 8 years? the horror of it! meanwhile the cost to nyc for providing security for the president elect in his trump tower is an ongoing tab for the city that also gave him tax forgiveness and tax breaks


@ProblemAgain: It probably cost more for BO to go on Ellen & by the sounds of it NY will have some job growth.



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that was an assumption and you  know what they say? assuming makes an ass out of you. lately you've had a head start to begin with

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@CantStandTex: that was an assumption and you  know what they say? assuming makes an ass out of you. lately you've had a head start to begin with


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And proud of it!

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Admittedly I did not read everything. Just enough to get the general theme of the thread. Whenever I read or hear other's opinions  that all or even the majority of any group of people are one way or another as a group then I pretty much assume that someone hasn't been exposed to a lot of diversity.  Whether it is politics, religion, race, culture, ethnicity, or sexual preference, that is being referenced I can not imagine making such broad brushed assumptions about people and their value systems, work ethic, morality, etc that is so often done here and on other forums.   I am older than a lot of you.  I still can't really define myself after all of these years. I agree with some issues that are very conservative, and I have other views that are pretty liberal, lol.  I do know I am not unAmerican, lazy, racist, or any other fill-in-the-blank common generalities made when discussing the OPs topic. Most people I know are not so easily defined as a conservative, liberal, or anything in between. I have friends and family that pretty much run the entire spectrum of political views.  A few are so adamant in their view points that we just agree to not discuss the issues, but most are intelligent and thought provoking individuals that can defend their point of view without lowering themselves to insults and pettiness and false generalizations.  I think when people decide they know what any specific group of individuals believe, think and hold true that it shows a lack of exposure to people that are different than they are. That is why I love travel so much.  I think there would be a lot less war and a lot less hate if people could travel the world and experience that even though we are a species made up of many different flavors, at our core we are not really all that different from each other. That is not to say that we have to agree, but it does mean that we can accept that it is an unrealistic expectation to think that all of any of one particular group of people is so singular in thinking that their ideals can be put in a nice tidy box. 


@soxs mom: I wish I could put your post in bold neon as a shining example of objective, intelligent thought.  Since I cannot, I will offer a Simpsons clip your post reminds me of (b/c i'd subscribe to your newsletter).  






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