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by: PedroDePacas Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Aug 17, '15 5:48pm  
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 17, '15 6:17pm  
Immigration is the number one issue that will decide my vote.  And as of this moment, Trump has it.  I love his ideas on reform and he does not mess around.  This can't happen fast enough.  We can't wait another year. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 17, '15 6:19pm  
Where does he want to get the money for this wall he wants to build?  Admittedly, I haven't been following much lately. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 17, '15 6:20pm  
Its all lip service. We have heard this before. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 17, '15 6:26pm  
I don't trust Trump too much. I am not opposed to voting for him however he changes sides so much it's hard to tell what he truly believes.Cruz is still my candidate 100%. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 17, '15 6:44pm  
Where does he want to get the money for this wall he wants to build?  Admittedly, I haven't been following much lately.
 
@RogueHippEE: The most vocal proponent-leading Republican candidate Donald Trump-has proposed various measures, including mass deportations, seizure of remittance payments made with illegal wages, raising fees on temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats and other measures. (taken from Yahoo Finance).  I also read he will put stiff penalties on people who allow their Visas to expire without leaving the Country.  
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 17, '15 9:23pm  
All i can say from first hand experience that our current commander in chief will not enforce immigration laws 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 17, '15 10:33pm  
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 18, '15 7:55am  
FYI here are some facts on fences. A fence or wall might stop a few but historically they never stop people crossing for very long, think Berlin wall, Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall. They eventually breach them either going over or under. According to a 2009 Government Accountability Office report, the average
cost of fencing per mile is around $2.8 million to $3.9 million for the
easiest-to-install and least expensive urban fencing. However,  in more remote and desert areas costs go up quite dramatically. So
dramatically that it can cost more than four times the average cost of
fencing more populated areas. In one instance, it cost $58 million for
three and a half miles in difficult terrain in the San Diego sector. So calculate that cost
times the length of the entire southern border, and the total price tag
comes out to be around $20 billion. And that
that cost doesn't include maintenance and staffing the wall. Much of the land on the border, particularly in Texas, is privately owned or is considered tribal territory. And
although the Department of Homeland Security has sought to acquire some
of this land for an extended period of time acquiring land privately
held would cost. Tribal
land is another issue as Congress must adhere many tribal treaties in acquiring land. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 18, '15 8:26am  
We have laws in place but our elected officials refuse to enforce them. There are no repercussions for coming to the USA illegally. We open our jobs, our hospitals, our schools, our food pantries, etc. and welcome illegals at the expense of hard working tax-paying US citizens. Our children lose programs in schools because so much money is needed for ESL (English as second language). The citizens have lost a lot over-all. We need to take our Country back and welcome any immigrant that enters legally. We need a President that will enforce laws while making changes. 4951
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djohn78 Active Indicator LED Icon 1
~ 8 years ago   Aug 18, '15 8:55am  
FYI here are some facts on fences. A fence or wall might stop a few but historically they never stop people crossing for very long, think Berlin wall, Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall. They eventually breach them either going over or under. According to a 2009 Government Accountability Office report, the average
cost of fencing per mile is around $2.8 million to $3.9 million for the
easiest-to-install and least expensive urban fencing. However,  in more remote and desert areas costs go up quite dramatically. So
dramatically that it can cost more than four times the average cost of
fencing more populated areas. In one instance, it cost $58 million for
three and a half miles in difficult terrain in the San Diego sector. So calculate that cost
times the length of the entire southern border, and the total price tag
comes out to be around $20 billion. And that
that cost doesn't include maintenance and staffing the wall. Much of the land on the border, particularly in Texas, is privately owned or is considered tribal territory. And
although the Department of Homeland Security has sought to acquire some
of this land for an extended period of time acquiring land privately
held would cost. Tribal
land is another issue as Congress must adhere many tribal treaties in acquiring land.
 
@Chrisinkingwood: Most true proposals (including the bill that former Rep Duncan Hunter got passed and was signed by GWB) do not provide a fence across the entire border. Just in the most at risk sectors.
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 18, '15 9:09am  
So, I was walking through downtown and I saw that there was a "Muslim Book Store." I was wondering what exactly was in a Muslim bookstore, so I went in.As I was wandering around taking a look, the clerk stopped me and asked if he could help me.I imagine I didn't look like his normal clientele, so I asked, “Do you have a copy of Donald Trump's book on his U.S. Immigration Policy regarding Muslims and illegal Mexicans?"The clerk said, "**** off, get out and stay out!"I said, "Yes, that's the one. Do you have it in paperback?" 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 18, '15 9:13am  
That's great! I like that! 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 18, '15 9:25am  
I can remember the interviews with Arizona ranchers on the border. They were torn between putting out water, or picking up dead bodies and shooting trespassers.
If we would stop allowing them services, schooling, jobs and housing it wouldn't be so comfortable.
 
Personally I think we should bill the Mexican government for the cost of their citizens. Force them to clean up their country and keep their people there unless coming legally.
 
I have strong feelings, my great grandfather made 7 to 9 trips from Sicily to bring himself and family here legally. Walking those same steps at Ellis Island was full of pride for the crazy journey they made for us. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 18, '15 10:19am  
I have strong feelings, my great grandfather made 7 to 9 trips from Sicily to bring himself and family here legally. Walking those same steps at Ellis Island was full of pride for the crazy journey they made for us.
 
@beadweaver: Not sure when your GG emigrated here but up until 1882, there basically was no federal immigration law:
anyone who arrived was welcome to make their life in the U.S.; there
were no visas necessary, no consulting with a U.S. consulate before you
departed; you boarded a boat and you built your new life in the USA.
That began to change in 1882, with the Chinese Exclusion Act, meant to keep out those that some felt were inferior. Slowly more laws were made to make it harder for just about everyone but Europeans. It wasn't until 1965 that Johnson signed new laws making allotment of visas based more on family connections and employability. That worked fairly well until our economy grew to a point that was a much higher demand for low wage workers yet  the cap on legal low wage worker visas has been capped at 5000 per year for some time. To put that in perspective at Ellis Island's peak 5000 mostly low wage workers came here each day.  High wage workers with a good education and degrees don't fall into the low wage cap and can come here legally much easier. The reality is that a low wage worker from south  of our border (Mexico down to South America) has a very slim chance of coming here legally at all. I would also add that the vast majority of those here now who are classified as illegal most likely came here legally and overstayed their work or school visas which then moved them to the illegal category yet they often have a better chance of modifying their status as compared to those who cross the border illegally.  I know because my daughter's previous boy friend was in this category, brought her as a child and the parents overstayed. In my opinion a wall will not solve the problem but a comprehensive overhaul of our current immigration system of laws would go farther.
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 18, '15 12:56pm  

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>> I have strong feelings, my great grandfather made 7 to 9 trips from Sicily to bring himself and family here legally. Walking those same steps at Ellis Island was full of pride for the crazy journey they made for us.
 
@beadweaver: Not sure when your GG emigrated here but up until 1882, there basically was no federal immigration law:
anyone who arrived was welcome to make their life in the U.S.; there
were no visas necessary, no consulting with a U.S. consulate before you
departed; you boarded a boat and you built your new life in the USA.
That began to change in 1882, with the Chinese Exclusion Act, meant to keep out those that some felt were inferior. Slowly more laws were made to make it harder for just about everyone but Europeans. It wasn't until 1965 that Johnson signed new laws making allotment of visas based more on family connections and employability. That worked fairly well until our economy grew to a point that was a much higher demand for low wage workers yet  the cap on legal low wage worker visas has been capped at 5000 per year for some time. To put that in perspective at Ellis Island's peak 5000 mostly low wage workers came here each day.  High wage workers with a good education and degrees don't fall into the low wage cap and can come here legally much easier. The reality is that a low wage worker from south  of our border (Mexico down to South America) has a very slim chance of coming here legally at all. I would also add that the vast majority of those here now who are classified as illegal most likely came here legally and overstayed their work or school visas which then moved them to the illegal category yet they often have a better chance of modifying their status as compared to those who cross the border illegally.  I know because my daughter's previous boy friend was in this category, brought her as a child and the parents overstayed. In my opinion a wall will not solve the problem but a comprehensive overhaul of our current immigration system of laws would go farther.
 
@Chrisinkingwood:
We are not sure, we keep finding more manifests. My great and grand parents and all of them are gone except one wife. They commonly changed spelling on names. I have a picture of the tablet with my great grandparents name from Ellis Island. I want to go back and do a rubbing do I can frame it. My grandma was 14 and told me many stories. I was 10 when she passed. I wish I listened more. Especially when she was going through pictures and old movies and slides.
 
I do know many that came went into slave labor. Sicilians were paid less than an Italian, and polish were paid more than Italians. During slave times they were cheaper than black slaves. Sicilians being the lowest or cheapest.
 
We've traced our Irish roots to early 1500's.
Those were not cruise ships they sailed on.
 
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