Protestor beaten at Trump rally

ExCTGuyInTX : You say this, as the rational Democrat side of our government is being forced out by the DSA, who are based in Marx's teachings. Keep thinking it's not happening....

lynnie0524 :
Xan tou expand on how the DSA's platform and differentiate it from the US government having acquired large stakes in pricate businesses over te last 20 months?

Rapsalot : Corporatism isn't right, either. But the DSA's entire agenda is to dismantle the US Constitution.

lynnie0524 :
Marx does not mention the USConstitution, nary a m ention.
Bur please do expand. I am mostly interested in the difference with the US goverment acquiring large stakes in private businesses.

No, but the DSA essentially is platforming the abolition of capitalism (with all businesses being owned and run by the public sector, no private ownership), abolition of the Senate, defunding the police, removing the power of the President and the Supreme Court, eliminating the Electoral College and assigning Congress, not electing them, among other things - and they are explicitly based in Marxism, as their own website describes. I have already expressed that corporatism (and cronyism) is also wrong in extremes. What we are seeing right now, IMO, is government investment in private companies trying to rebalance what the past 4 or so years have affected. I do not believe it should continue to the point where the government has control over private companies, but I do believe that things are precarious in the US right now due to so much manufacturing being shipped overseas during the past decades, and the way past presidencies have empowered our political enemies and failed to keep America more self-sufficient. To get more business going again in the US and help it profit, it requires significant investment. Where the line should be drawn is on control of those companies.

lynnie0524 :
There is a a lot to dissect, but I will focus on one satement, for now. You state that cronyism to the extreme is wrong. At what point does it become unacceptable. I ask becaue to me, any cronyism is that, unacceptable.

lynnie0524 :
Saying that the rational Democrats are being pushed out is simply not true. Instead, the DSA are just getting more spotlight because of the vacuum left by what has been pushed out of the Republican party. When voters choose to elect extremists, it is only natural to expect the opposite side to counter with the exact same energy. Everyday citizens see that their party is failing to secure the very basic duties that their jobs entail, so they begin to look for another option.Right now, the Republicans have chosen a weird hybrid of federalism, populism, authoritarianism, and Christian nationalism. Unfortunately, both party's turn a blind eye to the worse of who's under the big tent with them just to trudge on. There are probably only around 100,000 registered DSA members compared to the 42 to 45 million registered Democrats nationwide. If it feels like they are pushing people out, it is only because that is the specific messaging being put forth by the opposing side. People from both party's warned of extremists being voted in with MAGA and no one listened, so maybe those fears actually have some legs... right?

Sophos3 : I agree with this to a point, but disagree, as well. I believe the entire Democrat party has gone insane (with the more moderates among them just going along for the ride) with the direction that liberalism has taken (I used to agree with most of the policies that WERE more liberal policies until the political left got extreme with them), and unfortunately, this has led to the pendulum swing. Maybe it's going to swing back again - that's how it works, usually, right? I just know that I'd rather deal with reining in the extremists on the right before having to fight off the extremists on the left. Remember the sayings about socialism and communism. You vote your way into socialism, and it eventually becomes communism, which you have to fight your way out of. I am disappointed with the infighting on the right, and the different levels of control being factored into this, but to me it's still better than dealing with what the uprising factor on the left is pushing for. And the Christian Nationalism that people complain about is a) overblown, and b) where it's not overblown, it's because of the rising red-green alliance going on in this country, where leftist Democrats seem to have this crazy idea that they can join forces with extreme Islam and somehow benefit from it, when we all know that extreme Islam will just kick the liberals to the curb once they've gained whatever power is possible with their help. My own parents are common, run-of-the-mill Democrats who disagree with extremism on both sides and agree with much of what common sense Republicans stand for, but they have such a case of TDS that they continue to vote Democrat, even at the risk of the DSA gaining more power. Why? Because "that's not really happening here." Okay. And yes, ultimately, the most disappointing part of the whole thing is that today's politicians, as a whole, have completely lost the ability to work together and do what's right for the people. We are in a twilight zone to think that among the most sensible of all of our politicians today is Fetterman, bless his soul. Whatever happened to that guy when he had his stroke, well, he's come out of it a changed man, and someone that ALL of our politicians could learn a thing or two from.

Rapsalot : it's always wrong. In my writing, I accidentally lumped it in with Corporatism as I tried to separate them from actual capitalism.

lynnie0524 :
Fetterman has not changed much. He has always been a contrarian with an outsized ego. The stage and stakes have gotten bigger. His ego too.

lynnie0524 :
Fetterman has not changed much. He has always been a contrarian with an outsized ego. The stage and stakes have gotten bigger. His ego too.lynnie0524 :
Piketty writes about unbrideled capitalism/corporatism.
Ironically, so did Adam Smith

Rapsalot : He was a lot more lefty extreme when he got elected. At least, he ran on that stuff. Not so much, anymore. My personal opinion is once he got into Congress, seeing just how dysfunctional that place (probably) is, was a rude awakening to him. Regardless, he has turned out to be a surprising gift, for now, at least.

lynnie0524 :
I think that was being a contrarian in that conservative neck of the woods. I'm different look at m e. He does it now.

Sophos3 :
My guess is that this was all staged, the protester was a Trump paid shill to drum up ratings and rile the base. Nothing Trump does is real it all for ratings. Explains no charges.

lynnie0524 :
I get it but, let's be honest, you can't detach Trump from the current party like they are two separate things. The common sense Republicans are extinct for the most part now. If they didn't vote with Trump or criticized him, or some other random thing he had them primaried. We are stuck with the mess we have because the Republicans don't currently have a spine and can't do their jobs because the only time they find it is when they're on the way out. Take Cornyn for example, he voted with Trump 99% of the time. He made a statement in 2023 that Trump said was disloyal. That's it. All it took to make Paxton his new option. Here's the statement;
"I think President Trump's time has passed him by. I don't think President Trump understands that when you run in a general election, you have to appeal to voters beyond your base."
He expanded on this by continuing;
"There's no question that President Trump has some enthusiastic supporters as part of his base. That works well for him in a Republican primary, but not well when you need to expand your appeal in a general election."
Because Trump couldn't deal with being criticized, we are stuck with Paxton. As for Fetterman, as a survivor of multiple strokes with minimal overall deficits and diagnosed ADS1, I don't think he should be in office. I wouldn't place myself in any sort of office either. I see it as no better than being in office still in your 90s. Best I would shoot for is advisor I think. That's just my opinion though.