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TexINS Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 7:37am  
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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 8:31am  
I have a simple question.  For those that do not like the current health care law, what would you do to reign in the out of control system we have now?  Unlike the choice to own a car or home EVERYONE is going to use the health care system sooner or later whether they're financially able to access that system or not.  That being the case other than villifying the person that at least has tried to do something, come up with a viable alternative, submit it to your congressional representative and see if he/she can have it replace the current law.  Otherwise for those advocating secession, rebellion and other similar ideas we as a nation have gone done that road before and will not do so ever again.  Perhaps countries like Syria, Egypt or Iran will be more to your liking.  This great country of ours has many good hearted people, I'm sure you'll have no problem finding folks to help you pack.
@rocket: Maybe, just maybe if something was done to handle the fraud and the Illegals taking advantage of the system, then maybe we would not be in this mess in the first place! Also personal responsibility has a lot to do with this, too! You want the best insurance against having to use the health care system ( yes i know not everyone can do this, so don't go there on this next quote), but exercise, move more than you consume, lose the weight, join a gym, get with a trainer if you can to do what is needed to stay healthy ( I know as I am personally living this right now---I finally decided to do something and the fact that I did NOT want to contract some disease like diabetes~~i 've lost 60 lbs so far and can tell you that my health is 100% better~~~workout at Gold's gym daily~~memberships are not expensive, either ~~~less than$30.00 a month) JMO........ 4951
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kpdad Active Indicator LED Icon 5
~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 10:14am  
Illegals don't account for the vast majority of the rising health care cost in America.  There are 300 million citizens and 10-15 million illegals, and most do not have access to any lawyer, doctor, or professional that can help "game" the system.The problem is that Americans, in general, are fat, lazy, and dumb.  They complain about the cost of health care but then eat at McDonald's, don't hit the gym, don't stop smoking, and wait until the last minute to get check-ups.  I think if you created a nation of the top 1% then we would out-perform the rest of the 99% slobs.  But this is logical.  A Kingwood where each division is like Kings Point is a lot nicer than a Kingwood where each division is like Forest Cove or Trailwood. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 10:24am  
I have a simple question.  For those that do not like the current health care law, what would you do to reign in the out of control system we have now?  Unlike the choice to own a car or home EVERYONE is going to use the health care system sooner or later whether they're financially able to access that system or not.  That being the case other than villifying the person that at least has tried to do something, come up with a viable alternative, submit it to your congressional representative and see if he/she can have it replace the current law.  Otherwise for those advocating secession, rebellion and other similar ideas we as a nation have gone done that road before and will not do so ever again.  Perhaps countries like Syria, Egypt or Iran will be more to your liking.  This great country of ours has many good hearted people, I'm sure you'll have no problem finding folks to help you pack.
 
Will at least Ive moved up to "villain status" from being a racist because I disagree with the Marxist that Obama is.
 
What would I do?
 
#1) eliminate the federal restriction on interstate sale of insurance. This restriction leaves only two or three providers per state reduction competition and increasing prices. Increasing providers will give consumers more choice.
 
#2) phase out the federal incentives to businesses that create the link between employment and insurance. It is absolutely prepostrous for one person to pay the same insurance rate as another person just because they sit in adjacent cubicles. Can you imagine of car insurance was sold that way?
 
When you combine the two above, different insurance providers will offer different policies and/or different segments in the market. I'd love to be part of a group insurance with the following: a) no smokers allowed b) only people in excellent physical health because of healthy living habits determined by BMI and annual physicals c) no kids on the policy d) low premium/high deductible until I get older.
 
#3) state run STATE RUN exchanges can be created for high risk groups such as cancer survivors or congenital ailments. Sorry, but life is not fair. I don't have a problem subsidizing these exchanges with tax credits, paying for healthcare providers/use of infrastructure, etc.
 

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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 12:04pm  
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have a simple question.  For those that do not like the current health
care law, what would you do to reign in the out of control system we
have now? "In other words, accept your premise that health care is broken and the government must fix it. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 2:04pm  
"I
have a simple question.  For those that do not like the current health
care law, what would you do to reign in the out of control system we
have now? "In other words, accept your premise that health care is broken and the government must fix it.
 
@fcabanski: Health care *is* broken in the sense that many ordinary Americans cannot afford it, but that is not our concern.  Life is evolution, and survival of the fittest--the heart of capitalism--has no room for compassion.There is room in God's heart for all souls, but not enough resources down here.  If you die, you die.  Just do it quietly and without costing the rest of us a fortune.
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SeeVee Active Indicator LED Icon 5
~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 2:44pm  
You ever see Dr. Lamont Hill on The Oreilly factor. He splits the hair that is split in order to just disagree with whomever. Thats you KPDad. You just disagree to be disagreable.
 
Healthcare is not the same as health insurance. You are smart enough to know that. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 3:19pm  
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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 3:49pm  
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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 4:15pm  
You ever see Dr. Lamont Hill on The Oreilly factor. He splits the hair that is split in order to just disagree with whomever. Thats you KPDad. You just disagree to be disagreable.
 
Healthcare is not the same as health insurance. You are smart enough to know that.
 
@SeeVee: There is a generational gap here, so I assume you will learn much more as you grow older.  Still, I appreciate the attention.  Keep fighting the good fight.
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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 6:03pm  
[quote.  If you die, you die.  Just do it quietly and without costing the rest of us a fortune.
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@kpdad:
Here lies a massive part of the problem - we don't just let old/terminal people die with dignity - we must spend a fortune to extend life a year or two in unlivable conditions at massive cost to the rest of us.   4951
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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 6:15pm  

@fcabanski: Health care *is* broken in the sense that many ordinary Americans cannot afford it, but that is not our concern.  Life is evolution, and survival of the fittest--the heart of capitalism--has no room for compassion.There is room in God's heart for all souls, but not enough resources down here.  If you die, you die.  Just do it quietly and without costing the rest of us a fortune.
 
@kpdad: There are people who need help because they can't help themselves.  There are other people who need help because they won't help themselves.  Government is bad at weeding those who really need help from those who refuse to help themselves, or who play the system.If we, as a society, have a hard time paying for health care then how does adding waste in government overhead solve the problem?
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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 9:10pm  
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~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 10:21pm  

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@fcabanski: Health care *is* broken in the sense that many ordinary Americans cannot afford it, but that is not our concern.  Life is evolution, and survival of the fittest--the heart of capitalism--has no room for compassion.There is room in God's heart for all souls, but not enough resources down here.  If you die, you die.  Just do it quietly and without costing the rest of us a fortune.
 
@kpdad: There are people who need help because they can't help themselves.  There are other people who need help because they won't help themselves.  Government is bad at weeding those who really need help from those who refuse to help themselves, or who play the system.If we, as a society, have a hard time paying for health care then how does adding waste in government overhead solve the problem?
 
@fcabanski: Let me try to explain it very slowly. Repeal ObamaCare.  Repeal Social Security.  Repeal Medicare.  Get government out of everything except defense, transportation, and a few other vital areas of public service.Compassionate people will help those who need assistance; hence the notion of compassionate conservativism.  I don't mind giving money to those who need help, because I choose to.  I also don't mind because I am wealthy.  Now, if you are dying and need money, just ask kindly.  But don't cry that government should save you.And we wonder why real conservatism is broken these days.  Jeebus.
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kpdad Active Indicator LED Icon 5
~ 11 years ago   Jul 1, '12 10:22pm  
[quote-tag-mismatch][quote.  If you die, you die.  Just do it quietly and without costing the rest of us a fortune.
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@kpdad:
Here lies a massive part of the problem - we don't just let old/terminal people die with dignity - we must spend a fortune to extend life a year or two in unlivable conditions at massive cost to the rest of us.   [quote-end-tag-mismatch]
 
@casper: Yes.  Precisely. 
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