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Obamacare, a lot of fail.

Obamacare, a lot of fail.

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by: EvanCarroll Active Indicator LED Icon 6 OP 
~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 11:27am  

Damn neocons. 4951
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FoFa Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 12:26pm  
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hardzep Active Indicator LED Icon 10
~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 1:01pm  
Is it true that under the law that is known as Obamacare, all American citizens must have some form of health insurance?  That all health insurance available to money making citizens is non-government owned?  So if you are not getting the government to pay for your health insurance (or health care, provided you are using what the government provides for those that can't provide for themselves) with another persons money, then you are required to pay a non-government entity money to be an American citizen?Somehow, that just makes me feel really bad. 4951
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~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 1:06pm  
Is it true that under the law that is known as Obamacare, all American citizens must have some form of health insurance?  That all health insurance available to money making citizens is non-government owned?  So if you are not getting the government to pay for your health insurance (or health care, provided you are using what the government provides for those that can't provide for themselves) with another persons money, then you are required to pay a non-government entity money to be an American citizen?Somehow, that just makes me feel really bad.
 
@Zephard: Don't feel bad!   4951
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~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 1:15pm  
@jaxHow can I not, if I am being told I have to pay some other non-government entity money, so I can be an American.  I understand paying the government (an entity) to be considered a citizen of it, but to have to pay some other entity to be a citizen of this other entity just seems wrong.Out of all the things I heard brought before the Supreme Court about trying to get Obamocare thrown out as unconstitutional, that was not one of them.  They brought up all kinds of stuff but it was all about actual amounts of money, this is completely on the idea, the idea that to be a citizen, I have to pay some private organization money. 4951
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TXtransplant Active Indicator LED Icon 13
~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 1:34pm  
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Otherwise you will be penalized and tossed out of the country like an illegal!
 
Oh wait....we don't do that anymore; only constitutional citizens are bound to this nonsense.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Muslims are also exempt.
 
Good lord.
 
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jax Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 1:38pm  
Support gays, trash Christians.Wait, isn't that what you do Evan? 4951
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KellyG Active Indicator LED Icon 3
~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 1:39pm  
I haven't read that your citizenship will be stripped for not buying insurance. I have read that people who don't buy insurance are subject to a tax/fine. Also, that the tax/fine will increase every year you remain uninsured. So, there's that. But you won't be stripped of citizenship. 4951
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FoFa Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 1:43pm  
Obamacare's new taxes, many have no idea what's comingSurtax on investment income: (can you say 401K)Capital Gains 23.8%Dividends 43.4% Other 43.4%Medicare payroll tax increase:Workers 1.45%Self-employed workers 2.9%After the first $200,000 in income, you will pay:Workers 2.35%Self-employed 3.8%The Obamacare Medical Device Tax will impose a 2.3 percent tax on gross sales. You will pay this every time someone needs a medical device, either yourself directly, or indirectly via higher premiums.In 2014, just eight months from now, you will be required to purchase a qualifying insurance plan from Obama's list. If you do not pay to play, you will be taxed from 1 percent of your AGI to a high of 2.5 percent. LINK 4951
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jax Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 1:46pm  
C'Mon, FoFa.  It's not a tax. I know it's not a tax...Obama said it wasn't.  Emoticon 4951
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~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 4:32pm  
@jaxHow can I not, if I am being told I have to pay some other non-government entity money, so I can be an American.  I understand paying the government (an entity) to be considered a citizen of it, but to have to pay some other entity to be a citizen of this other entity just seems wrong.Out of all the things I heard brought before the Supreme Court about trying to get Obamocare thrown out as unconstitutional, that was not one of them.  They brought up all kinds of stuff but it was all about actual amounts of money, this is completely on the idea, the idea that to be a citizen, I have to pay some private organization money.
@Zephard: ..Yes, dont feel bad.  In the end as it is designed you will be paying the government.  Just need to get that pesky free market out of the way. 4951
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~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 4:41pm  
I haven't read that your citizenship will be stripped for not buying insurance. I have read that people who don't buy insurance are subject to a tax/fine. Also, that the tax/fine will increase every year you remain uninsured. So, there's that. But you won't be stripped of citizenship.
 
@KellyG: you may not be stripped of your citizenship just your freedom.
what happens when someone can not afford car insurance, they are issued a ticket along with some pretty hefty fines.
What happens when the same person who could not afford car insurance can't pay their ticket and fines, they are issued a warrant.
what happens when the same person who can not afford car insurance, gets a ticket and fines can afford to pay them is issued a warrant and they can not afford to pay the warrant.
They go to jail
Now they are legal American citizens but just not free
What because they can't afford insurance.
 
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~ 10 years ago   May 1, '13 4:47pm  

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>> I haven't read that your citizenship will be stripped for not buying insurance. I have read that people who don't buy insurance are subject to a tax/fine. Also, that the tax/fine will increase every year you remain uninsured. So, there's that. But you won't be stripped of citizenship.
@KellyG: you may not be stripped of your citizenship just your freedom. what happens when someone can not afford car insurance, they are issued a ticket along with some pretty hefty fines. What happens when the same person who could not afford car insurance can't pay their ticket and fines, they are issued a warrant. what happens when the same person who can not afford car insurance, gets a ticket and fines can afford to pay them is issued a warrant and they can not afford to pay the warrant. They go to jail Now they are legal American citizens but just not free What because they can't afford insurance.
@4psychos: ...wrong....they usually hit my car and flee. 4951
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~ 10 years ago   May 2, '13 12:58am  
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~ 10 years ago   May 2, '13 7:00am  
Is it true that under the law that is known as Obamacare, all American citizens must have some form of health insurance?  That all health insurance available to money making citizens is non-government owned?  So if you are not getting the government to pay for your health insurance (or health care, provided you are using what the government provides for those that can't provide for themselves) with another persons money, then you are required to pay a non-government entity money to be an American citizen?Somehow, that just makes me feel really bad.
 
@Zephard:
 
Translation? 4951
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hardzep Active Indicator LED Icon 10
~ 10 years ago   May 2, '13 8:26am  
 
@Zephard:
 
Translation?
 
@SeeVee: That as a law abiding citizen of the USA, I must pay some other entity (a privately owned, or a corporation neither of which is the government) by law.  No other law is written that one must pay a privately owned or corporation just because they are a citizen of the USA.  If you can not afford it the government will provide a way for you to have it, but as a person who makes enough money, I now have to pay something who is not the government because I am an US citizen.  One does not have to own a car, one does not have to own land.  If a person was born into a family that ran a farm that was fully self-sufficient then it would be said that the only "entity" they would have to pay, is the government.   That is not the case anymore, now you are required to have Health Insurance (which isn't insurance by the way), which is provided by some other entity than the government.   
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