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by: EvanCarroll Active Indicator LED Icon 6 OP 
~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:07am  
Loading Image...And here's the interesting part,
However, looking at the entire decade is misleading because the Chávez government did not control the stateowned oil company until the first quarter of 2003. So for the first four years, the stateowned oil company (PDVSA), which at the time accounted for more than half of government revenue and 80 percent of export earnings, was controlled by people who were hostile to the government. Furthermore, the managers of the company actually used their control over these vital resources to destabilize and even topple (temporarily) the government. Under these circumstances there was not much that the government could do to promote economic growth.
Growth of the economy comes after Chavez nationalized oil. And as for the American Puppet that was before him
By any reasonable comparison, then, the growth experience of the Venezuelan economy during the Chávez years has been very successful. Of course this is even more true if we compare to the two decades prior to Chávez's election, when the Venezuelan economy actually suffered a decline in per capita GDP, and one of the worst in the world during this period. From 19781998, Venezuela's per capita GDP declined by 21.5 percent.
source: http://venezuelanalysis.com/indicators/2009The information is from 2009, but it's a good read. 4951
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angiekaye Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:12am  
www.foxnews.com/us/2 013/03/05/chavez-dea th-venezuelans-in-us -hopeful-change would love to be able to go back to my country,” said Lopez, who said he was persecuted in Venezuela because he criticized the government.Read more: latino.foxnews.com/l atino/news/2013/03/0 5/venezuelans-reflec t-on-hugo-chave 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:14am  
wiki.answers.com/Q/H ow_is_Hugo_chavez_a_ bad_leader -Rationalizing water and light: He didnt follow through, so small towns like Acarigua go through weeks without water and hours and hours without light, with all the crime Students: he is trying to control what students can and cannot do..he has his own university where "chavistas" can attend,but none of them get hired. in 3 years, students trying to be doctors graduate. it takes 2 years to become an engineer. is that really enough training? -U.S.A: he talks and talks about the U.S., but does he stop selling us oil? no sir. -Terrorism: he is in "friendly" contact with the guerrilla from colombia, was in contact with sadam Hussein, and probably osama bil laden. -crime: it is a proven fact that he has threatened other candidates, such as Rosales in 2007..he threatened to hurt his family, and he has taken part in abductions from other politicians... i cannot begin to explain what a bad leader this man is. did you know he tried to kill the president of Venezuela back in 1996 or around that time, went to jail, then was released and shortly became president?!!? a president that has been in jail for attempted murder...nice. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:14am  
those are only the few I found on google search.  I can keep going.  But I think everyone gets the picture. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:15am  
@evancarrollso, you're saying communism is the answer to all of society's ills?  Let me ask you this, were millions of people trying to emigrate to Venezuela to partake in the communist utopia?  Nope, they were coming to evil, cruel, uncaring America, with it's rigged system that favors the rich and punishes the poor.  We're so awful that people are digging tunnels and climbing over fences to get here.  Meanwhile, people are risking life and limb to get out of places like Cuba.  But I suppose you have a soft-spot for Castro, too. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:16am  
Despite Venezuela’s vast oil wealth, it remains a poor country whose currency was devalued just last month and crime is rampant. How bad cannot be quantified because Chavez saw fit to stop publishing crime statistics in 2004http://spectator.org/blog/2013/03/05/hugo-chavez-1954-2013  4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:19am  
Despite Venezuela’s vast oil wealth, it remains a poor country whose currency was devalued just last month and crime is rampant. How bad cannot be quantified because Chavez saw fit to stop publishing crime statistics in 2004http://spectator.org/blog/2013/03/05/hugo-chavez-1954-2013 
 
@angiekaye: Wait, so you're saying that a communist dictator is re-writing history that goes against the myth of the utopia?  What's next, Stalin was a bad guy? LOL
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:20am  
Given Chavez’s control of the media in Venezuela it may be years before we truly know the extent of his cruelty. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:22am  

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>> Despite Venezuela’s vast oil wealth, it remains a poor country whose currency was devalued just last month and crime is rampant. How bad cannot be quantified because Chavez saw fit to stop publishing crime statistics in 2004http://spectator.org/blog/2013/03/05/hugo-chavez-1954-2013 
 
@angiekaye: Wait, so you're saying that a communist dictator is re-writing history that goes against the myth of the utopia?  What's next, Stalin was a bad guy? LOL
 
@mgw300e: One of the most powerful and murderous dictators in history, Stalin was the supreme ruler of the Soviet Union for a quarter of a century. His regime of terror caused the death and suffering of tens of millions, but he also oversaw the war machine that played a key role in the defeat of Nazism.
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:25am  
Stalin also slaughtered almost as many of his own citizens as Hitler did Jews.  Viva la revolucion! or however they say it in Russian. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 1:30am  
Its a sad day to be a human when people out there are celebrating the life of a communist.  Someone that nver cared for their people.  They ruled the internet and news outlets. We may never know the  honest truth out of that country or any other like.  Here in the usa we have open free speech.  There they dont.  They are restricted to what can be publisized.   Just as in our elections CNN and other networks never  say the 100% of what we need to know, thats why we have other outlets to at least help us.   But too many people believe every word the communist network will tell you.    Just as news broke this weekend that Chavez was dead this after many people were protesting to make the governement tell them what was happenin. Now today they finaly announce it from CNN.  Although hes been dead since decemeber and and on life support because they didn't want to have to elect a new president just yet. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 2:13am  
People like @evancarroll are drawn to these freakish leaders because they had a professor in college that taught them how intellectually superior it is to think that communism not only works, but that 'the people' actually thrive under it.  Forget the reality of equality of outcomes and the amount of force you must exert on a populous in order to achieve it, it just sounds so humane and awesome.  Take communism and stick it in a dress and you have liberalism.Yay! Look how smart we are as free-thinking liberals!  Corporations are bad, tax and spend until we're all in the rice paddies.  We'll all be equal and we can pat ourselves on the back for being so damn smart!Of course, we brilliant few that will help liberate the unwashed masses from their capitalist oppressors are far too important to work in the factories; we should get nice cloistered positions in academia or in the government, like the good party members we are.  When we said ther rich need to pay for exploiting the poor, we meant other people, not us.  Not right-thinking, I mean smart-thinking party members.  We use our income for enlightened things like hybrids and books on Hugo Chavez and Che Guevara t-shirts.Dear Liberals, there can be no utopia.  It's a sad, deranged dream that has been hijacked by people who want to do nothing more than secure as much power for themselves as possible.  Socialism/communism only works when the collective is small enough that all of the members feel some sort of responsibility to every other member, and small enough that no one is insulated from societal repurcussions if they shirk that responsibility.  It worked for the early Christians.  They were outright communists.  They shared everything according to need.The problem happens when a group becomes large enough that sub-groups can form.  This is when you start having people realize that their effort has no bearing on their quality of life, which naturally leads a lot of people to say to themselves, "well crap, if I get the same thing no matter how hard I work, I'm gonna sit here on my *** for a while."  The average person will succumb to this, no matter how hard of a worker they may be, and when the group is large enough that these people have no interaction with the producing members of the group, society's reaction of "hey lazy****, why are you sitting around while I work?" is gone.  And where it still occurs, it is from a distance and has no personal meaning to the person who no longer produces.You can argue until you're blue in the face that Romney is stupid, Republicans are protecting the rich, or whatever the criticism of non-liberal politicians of the day.  The fact remains that the conservative/libertarian philosophy respects and honors the individual and his (or her) free will and dignity as a human being, while liberalism seeks to tear down the individual and assign them to one "victim group" or another based on skin color, gender, etc, and then purport to be championing their cause, all the while stealing their free-will and dignity, leaving them poor helpless souls in need of government to serve as mommy, daddy, and God over their lives.  It's racist, sexist, and every other -ist that it pretends to be against.And that is why you want to use "stupid" politicians as a subterfuge rather than debate the merits of a political philosophy.  Hooray for you.  4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 6:13am  
Chavez's election wins are about as believable as Saddam Hussein's wins. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 8:19am  
havez redirected much of the country's vast oil wealth, which increased dramatically during his tenure, to massive social programs for the country's poor.Note - Which he basically stole from the developers that had contracts with his country.But Chavez also leaves a legacy of repression against politicians and private media who opposed him.Through decrees and a judiciary tilted in the president's favor, many political opponents found themselves barred from running in elections against the ruling party. Even former allies, like Chavez's onetime defense minister, Gen. Raul Baduel, faced accusations that critics called trumped-up corruption charges.Opponents also have criticized his social programs, calling them unsustainable over the long run and responsible for unintended consequences. Price controls, for instance, drove up inflation, while expropriations of farmland depressed production.LINK 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 8:48am  
Show me your data, or gtfo
@EvanCarroll: Gtfo?  If that means what I think it means then you are on here for the wrong reason sir.  I take personal offense to you being able to use that type of language, along with your sarcasm, and still have an active account on here.  You can disagree and debate all day long, but you need to do it in a more mature and civil manner, if that is possible.  Chavez would be disappointed in you. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Mar 6, '13 8:55am  
For @EvanCarroll Don't say I never did anythng nice for ya..
 
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