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by: mardigrasman Active Indicator LED Icon 12 OP 
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 10:08am  
where's woodward & bernstien on this one??????? 4951
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rocket Active Indicator LED Icon 3
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 10:20am  
Not even in the same ballpark.  First, this operation began under a previous administration.  Secondly, in regards to Watergate President Nixon was PERSONALLY INVOLVED in said cover-up.  There has been no accusations even among republicans that this president was actively involved in decision making as it pertains to this program.  Finally, it still has to be determined if any specific laws were broken.  Bad decisions do not necessarily equate to illegality.  In the case of the Nixon administration breaking and entering was definitely against the law.In the final analysis I think there has to be a whole lot more information that needs to be gathered on this incident before we start making comparisons to Watergate or the Contra scandal under President Reagan.  4951
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~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 10:25am  
My only question, which is based on a democratic fallacy by the way, is that this started under previous administration. why would this be important? 4951
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Fallon Active Indicator LED Icon 18
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 10:26am  
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rocket Active Indicator LED Icon 3
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 10:34am  
Boobear, it would be important because it would determine who gave the authorization to do what when.   For example, the Bay of Pigs invasion that occurred during the Kennedy presidency was actually the result of a plan that was formulated while Eisenhower was in office.  Yes, Kennedy could have (and should have by his own statements) put a stop to it but he didn't.  The broader point is if someone began an investigation of the genesis of the plan and the original thinking behind it, then they would have to look at those persons that were in charge under the previous administration in addition to the current ones. 4951
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BooBear Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 10:42am  
NO gun running was in previous plan. No one died because if it. holder could have stopped plan if he so chose. he made it bigger and more deadly as well as illegal. he bypassed the support of mexican govt which had been there during previous admin. this us ALL hokder and now Obama. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 11:02am  
rocket writes: ( 32 mins ago )
Not even in the same ballpark.� First, this operation began under a previous administration.� Secondly, in regards to Watergate President Nixon was PERSONALLY INVOLVED in said cover-up.� There has been no accusations even among republicans that this president was actively involved in decision making as it pertains to this program.� Finally, it still has to be determined if any specific laws were broken.� Bad decisions do not necessarily equate to illegality.� In the case of the Nixon administration breaking and entering was definitely against the law.
In the final analysis I think there has to be a whole lot more information that�needs�to be gathered on this incident before we start making comparisons to Watergate or the Contra scandal under President Reagan.
 
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Where to begin with your inaccuracies (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt)
 
Operation Gun Runner and Wide Receiver started under the previous administration were both accomplished WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND APPROVAL of the Mexican Government. At no time NO TIME were weapons lost or untracked.
 
No laws broken?!?!?! How about allowing and encouraging illegal
Weapon purchases. How about Eric Holder lying to congress?
 
Executive privilege can only be used for the President's communication. Eric Holder previously stated under oath that BHO was not aware of Fast and Furious. So now you have the problem that either Holder was lying then or lying now. 4951
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~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 11:43am  
Not even in the same ballpark.  First, this operation began under a previous administration. 
 
@rocket: not 100% accurate.
There was something very loosely similar under GW. But they were actually tracking the weapons with embedded tracking chips.And when it failed, they quit.The current Admin. decided it looked like a good idea, but with some modifications, like, no tracking chips to start with.And an American died under their game plan.It almost seems the dems are bringing it up for diversion tactics more than factual tactics. 4951
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mardigrasman Active Indicator LED Icon 12 OP 
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 12:37pm  
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Fallon Active Indicator LED Icon 18
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 2:51pm  
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~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 3:32pm  
The reason for these distinctions rests upon a bedrock presidential prerogative: for the President to perform his constitutional duties, it is imperative that he receive candid and unfettered advice and that free and open discussions and deliberations occur among his advisors and between those advisors and others within and outside the Executive Branch. Clinton invoked executive privelege 14 times;  GWB - 6 times;  Obama - once.   Does invoking executive privelege indicate a high level cover up?   What do you think?  4951
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BooBear Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 3:47pm  
@casper if he is trying to hide a crime then yes if it is inly a matter of security then no. obama appears to be hiding a crime. previous presidents have nothing to do with this. 4951
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mardigrasman Active Indicator LED Icon 12 OP 
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 3:52pm  
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FoFa Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 4:28pm  
are the Dems ever actually responsible for anything, ever?
 
@Fallon: Obamacare, and proud of it!
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~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 5:06pm  
heeeeeeere we go again! Drama time! 4951
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mardigrasman Active Indicator LED Icon 12 OP 
~ 11 years ago   Jun 24, '12 5:11pm  
heeeeeeere we go again! Drama time!
@Horsemagic: now what would give you that idea?? ( it get's people to post and express their beliefs, at least we have that opportunity here in America) 4951
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