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The New Normal When Dealing With Police

The New Normal When Dealing With Police

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by: megjur Active Indicator LED Icon  OP 
~ 7 years ago   Aug 4, '16 11:26am  
abc13.com/news/video -controversial-arres t-of-houston-social- worker/1456236/ Break the law and get pulled over2. Refuse to listen to the officers simple basic instructions3. Physically resist when the officer attempts to arrest you4. Get on TV and whine about how you were abused and how racist the whole process is.All of the above only apply if you are black 4951
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ET Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 7 years ago   Aug 4, '16 11:40am  
They need this.
 
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Steven H Active Indicator LED Icon 4
~ 7 years ago   Aug 4, '16 11:51am  
Read about this in Chronicle, this is race baiting at its finest. If they wont listen to an order from an officer of the law, imagine how they treat others all day long... with disrespect. Chronicle even quoted local NAACP goon as stating that officer was within his rights.No QTip on it yet, but 5 oclock new is still yet to come. She got what she deserved, couple of days in the pokey. Also IMO when you disobey an officer, you turn the tables in his favor and you are screwed. Know anyone that has ever beat a resisting arrest charge?These police have hard job, we dont hear about the countless, uneventful stops that they do all day, or the lady they saved from the abusive husband/boyfriend, or the robbery they stopped in progress. Officer should be able to sue her for libel/slander.News flash folks, put your hands on an officer, especially while he is trying to arrest you is assault on a police officer, Felony 1, another charge no one beats. 4951
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BooBear Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 7 years ago   Aug 4, '16 12:08pm  
I may be too white to say this but I'm trying to understand, after watching the video, what suddenly caused him to arrest her..he patiently waited while she talked, he new she was on the phone with 911 asking for another officer there..she wasn't a physical threat to him. I don't get why he couldn't have waited a little longer for another car? Yes, I absolutely realize and agree that she should have just complied. It wasn't a big deal what she was getting stopped for and she was over reacting to the whole thing..both could have and should have handled it differently. He shouldn't lose his job and she doesn't deserve a payday or attention for this. 4951
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sweetie Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator
~ 7 years ago   Aug 4, '16 12:09pm  
They should include this warning :
 
If you point a gun at them, they will shoot you! You will no longer be considered a victim. 4951
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rugburn Active Indicator LED Icon 1
~ 7 years ago   Aug 4, '16 12:51pm  
Perhaps because he has more important things to attend to, than wait for some disobedient b$tch to yak on the phone for no reason. 4951
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chilladahun Active Indicator LED Icon 2
~ 7 years ago   Aug 4, '16 5:56pm  
he new she was on the phone with 911 asking for another officer there..she wasn't a physical threat to him. I don't get why he couldn't have waited a little longer for another car? .
 
@BooBear: Just a point of clarification. We know now AFTER THE FACT that she was on the phone with 911. The officer AT THE TIME did not know who she was talking to.  The officer could only hear her side of the conversation and he did not know who she was talking to. For all the officer knew, she was calling someone to come to the scene to attack him. The officer can hear her telling SOMEONE what their location is. who that someone is was not known to him.She should have just complied.
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~ 7 years ago   Aug 5, '16 11:10am  
She should have just complied.
 
@chilladahun: That's to easy when your trying to make a scene.
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imadrummer2k Active Indicator LED Icon 3
~ 7 years ago   Aug 5, '16 12:18pm  
The worst thing you can do when you get pulled over is to get out of the car. I'll never understand why people do this. Just turn your engine off, turn your interior light on (if it's dark outside) and put your hands on the steering wheel. I mean, I learned this 30 years ago in driver ed. I generally support the police, but don't get me wrong...there are definitely some ****** cops out there. But the best thing to do is to suck it up and deal with them. In the rare event that I get pulled over, I usually go with the "kill em with kindness" approach. Just be as nice as I can and while it may not get me out of a ticket, it definitely keeps me out of jail!  4951
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~ 7 years ago   Aug 5, '16 12:21pm  
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Spork Active Indicator LED Icon 9
~ 7 years ago   Aug 6, '16 10:12am  
The worst thing you can do when you get pulled over is to get out of the car. I'll never understand why people do this. Just turn your engine off, turn your interior light on (if it's dark outside) and put your hands on the steering wheel. I mean, I learned this 30 years ago in driver ed. 
 
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Come on, there are worst things you can do than get out of the car. I'll go as far to say that getting out of the car is not even unreasonable. In fact, it's understandable, particularly if someone had never been instructed not to get out a car if pulled over. That instruction normally applies when pulling over on a street. It's just safer for the driver to stay in the vehicle.
 
A parking lot in a shopping center is a safer location and most likely has many cameras. An innocent person should want all of their actions captured on video. In a parking lot, being pulled over for a traffic violation, a driver may find it completely reasonable to exit the vehicle and show the officer she is not a threat. The video captures her doing just that.
 
She shows compliance by bringing the car to a stop in a parking lot. She exited the vehicle and took a few steps to the rear of the vehicle with both hands in clear view for the officer to see she is unarmed (a gesture that normally conveys no ill intent). This is completely reasonable and not threatening in the least. We don't hear audio, but she does return to the vehicle. This is another example of full compliance, if he directed her to do it.
 
The cop then comes into the scene with handcuffs already out, approaches her, and appears to try to grab her arm to cuff her. We don't hear any verbal exchanges that might have taken place. There is nothing that I see in the video that seems to justify arrest at this point. That justification may certainly have come off camera. Judging by video alone, it seemed unwise and unjustified to come out of his car and approach her with cuffs already in hand. Any citizen experiencing only what we see in the video would know at this point that an arrest is not justified just because you exit your vehicle, display empty hands, and return to your car if all you did to get pulled over was cross a center line.
 
I don't know why he appears to go for her arm as she pivots her torso away (non-threatening, but it is resistance). But at that moment he seems to change his mind from deciding to cuff her to not cuffing her.
 
He appears to call for backup as she makes her call. She can be heard asking for another officer to be sent to the scene and the cop is close enough to hear her request. He strangely then repouches his cuffs, seemingly signaling that now no arrest is imminent. He clearly did not assess this to be a dangerous situation at this time. He doesn't even have a defensive posture at this time. He appears to have successfully de-escalated at this point.
 
My opinion is the woman did not react unreasonably and the cop reacted bizarrely, but not unlawfully. My guess is the officer was directed to arrest her after his decision not to, based on his description of her behavior. 4951
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~ 7 years ago   Aug 6, '16 10:24am  
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Spork Active Indicator LED Icon 9
~ 7 years ago   Aug 6, '16 10:40am  
@Fallon
 
I don't disagree. But citizens only have a "civic duty". They don't get regular scenario based training on how to properly react. They predictably react unpredictably and should be granted a margin for error of time to process what's happening when their resistance is only passive. All bets are off if their resistance becomes aggressive. Law enforcement officers do receive regular training and carry the professional liability that goes along with exercising good judgment while reading and reacting. Well trained officers respond proportionate to the threat. I'd love to read his report to see what he assessed as the necessity to arrest. 4951
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~ 7 years ago   Aug 6, '16 10:45am  
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donnatella Active Indicator LED Icon 13 Forum Moderator
~ 7 years ago   Aug 6, '16 11:21am  
It's a very simple concept. If you are pulled over, JUST COMPLY. Ever single instance of police crossing the line was with a suspect COMMITTING A CRIME of some type. No sympathy for anyone in the act of a crime, regardless or race or skin color. All of these complainers and protestors on TV seem to brush over the fact that none of these people were shot or killed for just walking down the street minding their own business. They were involved, in some way, in the act of criminal behavior. Refusing to get out of the car and resisting of any kind is criminal.
 
Just stop, get out when commanded and do what you are told no matter the tone of the officer. He will do his job and you both can move on and go about your business, incident free. 4951
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friday1 Active Indicator LED Icon 9
~ 7 years ago   Aug 6, '16 11:40am  
Technically you are under arrest when pulled over. If you get mouthy blowing cigarette smoke in the cops face pissing him off you take it to the next level. 4951
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