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What country is our state's education system equivalent to?

What country is our state's education system equivalent to?

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by: Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 12:10am  
I saw this article and thought it was interesting.  We like to think America is the best in everything, but that's not true.  Our education system started going downhill once the politicians got involved.  This map correlates each US state to the equivalent high school graduation rates of other countries.  www.homesnacks.net/t his-surprising-map-s hows-all-50-states-r enamed-for-coun this comparison is based on the high school graduation rate of each state and country, we're worse than this map shows.  Since our ISD and school administrators demand that kids be passed up the line and graduated, even though they may only have a 5-6 grade education, our numbers are not honest numbers.  Of course, since the countries numbers can from the UN, I don't know that we can trust their numbers. 4951
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Weathergirl5 Active Indicator LED Icon 8 Forum Moderator
~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 12:21am  
Wow it's all across the board with all deferent countries!! 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 12:43am  
one part of this is our entire culture is less literate than we used to be. a great example of this is in the field of journalism and communications. these used to be the realm of real actual scribes with skills in sentence construction and composition. now we are constantly assailed by blowdried ****wits garbling out nonsensical disjointed things that are supposed to pass for sentences while they fail to render a reported story in any manner which communicates the facts coherently. our kids grow up with this in their ears and thus it teaches them poor language usage, limited vocabulary, and no logical skills in formulating sentences. how do you think properly when you fail to formulate a concept, a hypothesis or an idea properly which thus renders those unable to be rationally examined? 4951
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Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 12:52am  
one part of this is our entire culture is less literate than we used to be. a great example of this is in the field of journalism and communications. these used to be the realm of real actual scribes with skills in sentence construction and composition. now we are constantly assailed by blowdried ****wits garbling out nonsensical disjointed things that are supposed to pass for sentences while they fail to render a reported story in any manner which communicates the facts coherently. our kids grow up with this in their ears and thus it teaches them poor language usage, limited vocabulary, and no logical skills in formulating sentences. how do you think properly when you fail to formulate a concept, a hypothesis or an idea properly which thus renders those unable to be rationally examined?
 
@ProblemAgain:  When I was growing up, I read the newspaper because the spelling and sentence structure was always good, so it taught me how to write well.  Now, I can spot an error on almost every page. Even magazines are bad.  Also, don't get caught trying to buy something when the power goes out.  I'd say 90+% of clerks can't make change without the register telling them how much.  
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~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 12:59am  

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>> one part of this is our entire culture is less literate than we used to be. a great example of this is in the field of journalism and communications. these used to be the realm of real actual scribes with skills in sentence construction and composition. now we are constantly assailed by blowdried ****wits garbling out nonsensical disjointed things that are supposed to pass for sentences while they fail to render a reported story in any manner which communicates the facts coherently. our kids grow up with this in their ears and thus it teaches them poor language usage, limited vocabulary, and no logical skills in formulating sentences. how do you think properly when you fail to formulate a concept, a hypothesis or an idea properly which thus renders those unable to be rationally examined?
 
@ProblemAgain:  When I was growing up, I read the newspaper because the spelling and sentence structure was always good, so it taught me how to write well.  Now, I can spot an error on almost every page. Even magazines are bad.  Also, don't get caught trying to buy something when the power goes out.  I'd say 90+% of clerks can't make change without the register telling them how much.  
 
@Retired_Engineer: oh you mean like the bank clerk who got fired for dropping his pants cause he had to count to 11?
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~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 7:53am  
@ProblemAgain:  When I was growing up, I read the newspaper because the spelling and sentence structure was always good, so it taught me how to write well.  Now, I can spot an error on almost every page. Even magazines are bad.  Also, don't get caught trying to buy something when the power goes out.  I'd say 90+% of clerks can't make change without the register telling them how much.  
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@Retired_Engineer:
 
This is probably the saddening example of our generation's wrong doing.
 
I hear all the BS being spread by our politicians about how they are going to make this a great nation again, but hear none of them addressing this problem.
 
Having lived or visited many of the countries identified on the map above, I know many of those countries have progressed a hundred fold in my time alone. Whereas, we have fallen to an all time low.
 
How are our children to compete (or even survive) in the world on an international basis if they can't read, write and do math; especially if they don't see a need to be able to!
 
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~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 2:46pm  

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>> one part of this is our entire culture is less literate than we used to be. a great example of this is in the field of journalism and communications. these used to be the realm of real actual scribes with skills in sentence construction and composition. now we are constantly assailed by blowdried ****wits garbling out nonsensical disjointed things that are supposed to pass for sentences while they fail to render a reported story in any manner which communicates the facts coherently. our kids grow up with this in their ears and thus it teaches them poor language usage, limited vocabulary, and no logical skills in formulating sentences. how do you think properly when you fail to formulate a concept, a hypothesis or an idea properly which thus renders those unable to be rationally examined?
 
@ProblemAgain:  When I was growing up, I read the newspaper because the spelling and sentence structure was always good, so it taught me how to write well.  Now, I can spot an error on almost every page. Even magazines are bad.  Also, don't get caught trying to buy something when the power goes out.  I'd say 90+% of clerks can't make change without the register telling them how much.  
 
@Retired_Engineer: You can always tell a reader as they can write coherently.  When you see horrible writing you will usually find out that person doesn't do much reading. 
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~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 2:50pm  
HS graduation rate is not much of a relatable statistic.A hard to determine but more meaningful measure would be, how much did those grads learn?Also how many turned into productive citizens (regardless of education level)? 4951
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Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 3:03pm  

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>> one part of this is our entire culture is less literate than we used to be. a great example of this is in the field of journalism and communications. these used to be the realm of real actual scribes with skills in sentence construction and composition. now we are constantly assailed by blowdried ****wits garbling out nonsensical disjointed things that are supposed to pass for sentences while they fail to render a reported story in any manner which communicates the facts coherently. our kids grow up with this in their ears and thus it teaches them poor language usage, limited vocabulary, and no logical skills in formulating sentences. how do you think properly when you fail to formulate a concept, a hypothesis or an idea properly which thus renders those unable to be rationally examined?
 
@ProblemAgain:  When I was growing up, I read the newspaper because the spelling and sentence structure was always good, so it taught me how to write well.  Now, I can spot an error on almost every page. Even magazines are bad.  Also, don't get caught trying to buy something when the power goes out.  I'd say 90+% of clerks can't make change without the register telling them how much.  
 
@Retired_Engineer: You can always tell a reader as they can write coherently.  When you see horrible writing you will usually find out that person doesn't do much reading. 
 
@ET:  Very true.  I like to try new writers that self-publish on Amazon and their books are usually filled with spelling errors and grammar mistakes.  I'm just grateful that I can still spot them and I try not to get so accustomed to them that I repeat their mistakes. 
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~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 3:42pm  

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>> one part of this is our entire culture is less literate than we used to be. a great example of this is in the field of journalism and communications. these used to be the realm of real actual scribes with skills in sentence construction and composition. now we are constantly assailed by blowdried ****wits garbling out nonsensical disjointed things that are supposed to pass for sentences while they fail to render a reported story in any manner which communicates the facts coherently. our kids grow up with this in their ears and thus it teaches them poor language usage, limited vocabulary, and no logical skills in formulating sentences. how do you think properly when you fail to formulate a concept, a hypothesis or an idea properly which thus renders those unable to be rationally examined?
 
@ProblemAgain:  When I was growing up, I read the newspaper because the spelling and sentence structure was always good, so it taught me how to write well.  Now, I can spot an error on almost every page. Even magazines are bad.  Also, don't get caught trying to buy something when the power goes out.  I'd say 90+% of clerks can't make change without the register telling them how much.  
 
@Retired_Engineer: You can always tell a reader as they can write coherently.  When you see horrible writing you will usually find out that person doesn't do much reading. 
 
@ET:  Very true.  I like to try new writers that self-publish on Amazon and their books are usually filled with spelling errors and grammar mistakes.  I'm just grateful that I can still spot them and I try not to get so accustomed to them that I repeat their mistakes. 
 
@Retired_Engineer: Punctuation is a problem but some of it is pretty arcane and usually I can let it slide.  Spelling or usage errors, especially these days with spell-check, just rubs a nerve.
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~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 3:47pm  
All this teaching to the test, isn't helping. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 3:55pm  
I think it's hard to compare education systems between countries and I do not trust the UN at all.  I think we need to fundamentally change our education system, it was not designed for modern times.  I'm not for Common Core, but I think we have serious work to do, not that the teacher's unions will ever allow that though.  4951
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~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 4:05pm  
All this teaching to the test, isn't helping.
 
@deltadawn: Neither is social media. 
It burns me up when I see a (once) reputable writer or reporter in the media tweet something out that looks like something a 3rd grader would write. I understand there is a character limit, but there is no excuse for an adult member of the media to substitute "u" for the word "you" ever...even on twitter. Print media writers/reporters are supposed to be wordsmiths who write eloquently. That's what's supposed to set them apart from your average 15-year old girl texting on her phone. Now get off my lawn!!! Emoticon  4951
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Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Feb 4, '16 5:55pm  
I think it's hard to compare education systems between countries and I do not trust the UN at all.  I think we need to fundamentally change our education system, it was not designed for modern times.  I'm not for Common Core, but I think we have serious work to do, not that the teacher's unions will ever allow that though. 
 
@MarT:   Both of our children are teachers and I don't think the Teacher's unions are the problem.  It's the inept political administrations and demands for "measurable" progress that put ridiculous expectations on the teachers.  The ISDs, schools, and  teachers get "graded" by how well their students do on standardized testing, so they teach for the test.  My son teaches high school English (12th graders) and his most common remark is "I wish they would just let me teach".
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