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by: MarT Active Indicator LED Icon 9 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Aug 12, '15 4:34pm  
He has cancer.  I think he was a bad president, and in the past years I have wished he would just do his charity work and shut up.  But, I'm sorry he's sick.The strange thing is, the news report I heard on CNBC sounded surprised, he's 90 for pete's sake, how many of us won't have some sort of cancer if we life that long.  Plus pancreatic and liver cancer run in his family.  I think it's a testament to our health care system.  4951
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Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13
~ 8 years ago   Aug 12, '15 5:25pm  
I didn't think much of his presidency, but he certainly deserves respect for the charity work he's done since then.  Sorry to hear he has cancer.  At his age, I doubt that they'll even fight it.  Palliative Care is probably the best choice. 4951
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MarT Active Indicator LED Icon 9 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Aug 12, '15 5:28pm  
@Retired_Engineer  Sounds like he's going to fight it, they said he was clearing his schedule for treatment at Emory.  I commend him for his charity work as well, just wish he'd be quiet about politics. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 12, '15 5:33pm  
@Retired_Engineer  Sounds like he's going to fight it, they said he was clearing his schedule for treatment at Emory.  I commend him for his charity work as well, just wish he'd be quiet about politics.
 
@MarT:  To each his own.  Since the taxpayers are paying for excellent health-care for him, he'll get the best treatment.  Cancer treatment can be very tough on a person.  He's in pretty good shape for his age, but he's still 90 years old.  When my dad died at 89, he was ready to go.  He had lost his wife, two children, all of his siblings, and all of his old friends.
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MarT Active Indicator LED Icon 9 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Aug 12, '15 5:38pm  
@Retired_Engineer  I was surprised to see he'd fight it as well.  Primarily, if it started as liver cancer and spread, that doesn't sound too promising.  I guess I'd prefer to live out my days in peace and not die going through horrible medical treatment.  But like you said, to each his own. My Grandma was 94 and the doctors said there was nothing wrong with her except she was nearly blind and deaf, and didn't want to live anymore.  She fell and punctured a lung and died three weeks later.  4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 12, '15 11:19pm  
He's the second worst President in U.S. history. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 13, '15 7:08am  
You can like him or not but often times a term as President is controlled by many factors outside the control of the person in that office. I lived in Georgia when he served as Governor. His predecessor was Lester Maddox, a known white supremacist. At that time Georgia state politics were ruled by back door deals and political paybacks. Carter's tenure as President was a time of continuing inflation and recession as well as an energy crisis caused by the fall of the Shah of Iran and the revolution that followed. The failure of the rescue attempt to free the hostages in Tehran was the nail in the coffin for his political career. I think Carter harmed his chances at the start of his term of office by not playing along with long time Washington insiders and multi term members of Congress. He relied too heavily on the collegues he brought from Georgia who worked with him as Governor. Funny but there are lot of current Presidential hopefuls who claim they would do the same if elected as far as Washington insiders. As far as after his Presidency you can agree or disagree with what he has done but I really think his legacy will be mostly positive. I think he and his wife live their religious faith daily which says a lot. He has done a lot for charities like Habitat for Humanity for instance. There have been a lot of politicians I have not liked but I would only feel compassion for them in their time of need. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 13, '15 8:58am  
Jimma sort of had a hand in that falling Shah..... 4951
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djohn78 Active Indicator LED Icon 1
~ 8 years ago   Aug 13, '15 9:00am  
I had to look it up and George HW Bush is actually older than Carter! 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 13, '15 9:03am  
I won't grieve when he's gone. He was a phony from the get-go. Made a big pretense of carrying his own luggage, but what people didn't know is that it was only for photo ops and his suitcase was empty. He has had his pockets filled by the oil producing nations of the Middle East, and has consistently been an enemy of Israel. No thanks and good riddance. Sorry, if that sounds harsh, but I don't care one bit if he hammered a few nails in a Habitat for Humanity home. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 13, '15 12:43pm  
You can like him or not but often times a term as President is controlled by many factors outside the control of the person in that office. I lived in Georgia when he served as Governor. His predecessor was Lester Maddox, a known white supremacist. At that time Georgia state politics were ruled by back door deals and political paybacks. Carter's tenure as President was a time of continuing inflation and recession as well as an energy crisis caused by the fall of the Shah of Iran and the revolution that followed. The failure of the rescue attempt to free the hostages in Tehran was the nail in the coffin for his political career. I think Carter harmed his chances at the start of his term of office by not playing along with long time Washington insiders and multi term members of Congress. He relied too heavily on the collegues he brought from Georgia who worked with him as Governor. Funny but there are lot of current Presidential hopefuls who claim they would do the same if elected as far as Washington insiders. As far as after his Presidency you can agree or disagree with what he has done but I really think his legacy will be mostly positive. I think he and his wife live their religious faith daily which says a lot. He has done a lot for charities like Habitat for Humanity for instance. There have been a lot of politicians I have not liked but I would only feel compassion for them in their time of need.
 
@Chrisinkingwood: this is some funny stuff. Basically, you say he was bad, but it was everyone elses fault he was bad. NO. He was a terrible, TERRIBLE President and it was his fault. Double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, double digit unemployment rate and the best he could come up with is to turn down your thermostat.
 
And as bad as a POTUS he was, he is even worse as an Ex POTUS.
 
He is simply a poor manager, a non-leader, and an anti-semite.
 
All that said, I wish him well in his sickness.
 
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Chrisinkingwood Active Indicator LED Icon 8
~ 8 years ago   Aug 13, '15 4:17pm  
this is some funny stuff. Basically, you say he was bad, but it was everyone elses fault he was bad. NO. He was a terrible, TERRIBLE President and it was his fault. Double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, double digit unemployment rate and the best he could come up with is to turn down your thermostat.
 
And as bad as a POTUS he was, he is even worse as an Ex POTUS.
 
He is simply a poor manager, a non-leader, and an anti-semite.
 
All that said, I wish him well in his sickness.
 
 
@chilladahun: I respectfully disagree with you, Carter
was given a pretty poor economic situation from his predecessor, Gerald Ford and a number of factors including many adverse global conditions.
Oil prices were around $10 in early 70s. By late 70s it was close to
$100 [both in today's dollars]. This was due to a major crisis in the
Middle East and the end of the gold standard under Nixon. Carter tried to advocate
conserving energy and for a public used to cheap oil that transition
proved very difficult.Furthermore Carter took the political risk of appointing Volker. Carter knew that Volcker would raise interest rates sharply probably causing a
recession but told his counselors who advised against the appointment to
let him worry about the politics. In the end for Carter it may not have been the safest choice but once rates had stabilized after the recession they came back down and the economy greatly improved. It was Carter not Reagan who battled for two years to pass legislation that
gradually expanded competition in natural gas, oil, and electricity.
U.S. inflation was fueled by rising energy prices between 1972 and 1979
linked to OPEC and instability in the Middle East. The public blamed
Carter for high prices while Reagan benefited from their long decline
after 1980. Carter
was an "outsider" with an explicit mandate from the people to cleanup
Washington - especially after Nixon's fiasco. However, his zeal put him
at odds with the Congress and prevented him from enacting things he
wanted. He threatened to veto all the Pork Barrel spending and that angered a lot of established interests.Price fixing had been a fact in the case of railroads since the 1880s,
and since the 1930s for trucking and airlines, but no president until
Carter had the political courage to take on the incumbent interests. In
doing so, Carter faced the ire of not only business interests like the
truckers who were a constituency in every state, but also the railroads,
air carriers, and AT&T. These anti-competitive business interests
were backed by the Teamsters, the Railroad Brotherhoods, the airline
Machinists and the Communications workers who also wanted to maintain
regulated limits on competition. As a result of what Carter did to open
these markets, price increases have been restrained ever since.As for Carter being an anti-Semite I also strongly disagree, The Camp David Accords was perhaps his greatest foreign policy achievement. It surely wasn't anti-Semitic. Depending on one's perspective one can argue about his support for the Palestinians and how that relates to support for Israel but there are 2 sides to the story there!  And painting him anti Semitic is using a broad brush. One could claim Menachem Begin was a criminal and a terrorist because he was a member of Irgun and being involved in their criminal actions against the British but that would not be the real story either. Name calling is too easy. The majority of recent Presidents have retired and mostly just played golf or walked at their private ranches or beaches. I'd challenge  you to name me any other President in the last century or this one that has done more after their turn in office. The Cater Center which opened in 1982, has developed dozens of programs to alleviate suffering and
improve lives around the world. His peace
work includes conflict resolution, election monitoring, and the
promotion of human rights and democracy. Health programs include
agricultural initiatives to eliminate hunger in Africa, Rosalynn
Carter's mental health task force, and programs to control or eradicate
preventable diseases afflicting the world's poorest people. The best
example of the latter is the Guinea worm program, which has so far succeeded in reducing this debilitating
disease by 98% world-wide, making it potentially just the second disease
after smallpox to be wiped out by human effort. In all, Carter Center
programs have reached 65 countries, with the greatest impact on the
developing world.  That is a record to stand on. As for the worst US President your memory or historical knowledge is way too short. Most historians and experts agree that that based on a variety of factors the 5 worse were:1. James Buchanan2. Warren G. Harding3. Andrew Johnson4. Franklin Pierce5 Millard Fillmore 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 20, '15 3:32pm  
Today Carter announced he had "brain cancer" and was going to pursue treatment.    At 90 it seems a harsh way to go, but after all, it is a personal decision as how to treat your illness.  I do believe in my heart that he is probably doing it only for Rosalynn, as he seems prepared for whatever his prognosis is.  I believe he was a good President, but that the history books will paint him as a great "statesman", as opposed to being a pompous politician.  There is nothing vain about him, he is a man of deep faith, and a gentleman of Southern gentility.  The little boy, Mattie Stepanek, who was wheelchair bound with MS I believe it was and who passed in his teens, before he died, had on his bucket list to meet President Carter, and when they met it was like two angels acknowledging each other with humility and graciousness and admiration - Mattie believed him to a "Peacemaker" - that's good enough for me.  History will give him the appropriate accolades and acknowledgements.Prayers for peace, comfort, and painfree rest of his days - God Bless Jimmy Carter and Rossalyn.....it will be most difficult on her I believe......I can't believe I am reading all the spiteful, mean things being said about this fine man -we all should be so lucky to be 1% of what this man has proven and shown to be, especially in his post-presidency - 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 20, '15 8:17pm  
I thought he was a terrible president. When he was asked any regrets he had he said yes he wished he would have sent a helicopter to get the hostages and then he would have been re-elected. I was surprised by that. I think he is a kind hearted man. I hate that he has cancer. I wish him the best. Now that Obama is in office, I realize carter was the 2nd worse president. Obama won the worst ever president and the most dangerous. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 20, '15 9:53pm  
Today Carter announced he had "brain cancer" and was going to pursue treatment.    At 90 it seems a harsh way to go, but after all, it is a personal decision as how to treat your illness.  I do believe in my heart that he is probably doing it only for Rosalynn, as he seems prepared for whatever his prognosis is.  I believe he was a good President, but that the history books will paint him as a great "statesman", as opposed to being a pompous politician.  There is nothing vain about him, he is a man of deep faith, and a gentleman of Southern gentility.  The little boy, Mattie Stepanek, who was wheelchair bound with MS I believe it was and who passed in his teens, before he died, had on his bucket list to meet President Carter, and when they met it was like two angels acknowledging each other with humility and graciousness and admiration - Mattie believed him to a "Peacemaker" - that's good enough for me.  History will give him the appropriate accolades and acknowledgements.Prayers for peace, comfort, and painfree rest of his days - God Bless Jimmy Carter and Rossalyn.....it will be most difficult on her I believe......I can't believe I am reading all the spiteful, mean things being said about this fine man -we all should be so lucky to be 1% of what this man has proven and shown to be, especially in his post-presidency -
 
@magnoliamam: "Not a pompous man?" Seriously? I mean really, seriously?
 
He spent the years after his failed presidency criticizing every subsequent President vociferously.
 
Jimmy Carter: failed president, worse former president, hope he beats cancer
 
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~ 8 years ago   Aug 20, '15 10:29pm  
The claims that Carter was the worst President followed by Obama have more to do with forum members party loyalty than any facts and also show a disregard for overall American history in favor of recent history. While some will claim that the above are the worse there are many who find equal faults with GW Bush, R Reagan and other recent presidents. I look to historians and scholars for their opinions, not armchair quarterbacks who spout party dogma. There is no doubt that those who love Reagan will say Carter was inept, and conversely those who liked FDR or Truman will most likely rate Eisenhower or Nixon higher. Additionally most scholarly polls don't rate our current President because he is still in office and his legacy is not yet fully known and of course quite a few well known polls were done before recent presidents served. As I said in my earlier post, if you look at the results of most polls done by historians, news sources and colleges with specialties in American History you will find the worst 5 are typically:1. James Buchanan2. Warren G. Harding3. Andrew Johnson4. Franklin Pierce5 Millard FillmoreYou can claim any recent Carter was the worst but the facts don't bare it out and facts are what count in my book! There are plenty of "popular" polls like ones done by Gallup, C-Span, Rasmussen and others but again, those numbers are often based on party affiliation. 4951
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