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Restoring relations w/Cuba, what are your views?

Restoring relations w/Cuba, what are your views?

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by: bubbleyes72 Active Indicator LED Icon 18 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Jul 13, '15 3:14pm  
Would you visit once the relations are restored between the two of us? Do you think this would be a good start for us to do business with them again, if no, why? 4951
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CBP210 Active Indicator LED Icon 10
~ 8 years ago   Jul 13, '15 3:21pm  
Not while a dictator is still in power. 4951
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ET Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 8 years ago   Jul 13, '15 3:22pm  
Doubt I would go anytime soon, plenty of other places to see. We should be doing business with them already, the whole thing has been a long drawn out joke. 4951
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WskyTngoFxtrt Active Indicator LED Icon 10
~ 8 years ago   Jul 13, '15 3:25pm  
The only good thing in Cuba are the cool old cars. I read that the law there prohibits anyone from owning a car newer than 1959. There's a goldmine of old cars there that could eventually see their way back to the U.S. 4951
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shodan66 Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 8 years ago   Jul 13, '15 3:32pm  
Not while a dictator is still in power.
 
@CBP210: If that's the only qualification then we should break off support/relations immediately with Vietnam, Thailand, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman, Jordan, UAE, Morocco, Equatorial Guinea, Egypt, Chad, Uganda, and Rwanda.All are singularly controlled authoritarian governments that we currently engage with and support.  Seems we can turn a national blind-eye to a lot of issues if there is money/benefit in it for us.Hemingway loved Cuba.  That's good enough for me.
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Ray Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 8 years ago   Jul 13, '15 3:53pm  
I hardly see how this matters. Have any of you been to Miami? There are far more Cubans there than in Cuba...SO I think its a moot point.BUT, I dont think its good for 2 reasons. One , The original embargo was good and valid and should stay. In 1962 We had a REAL President who made sound decisions based on what was good for our country. He was a President in every sense of the word...TWO, the Kenyan Muslim in charge likes it so it cannot be good for us in any scenario. He is just a worthless community organizer. 4951
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CBP210 Active Indicator LED Icon 10
~ 8 years ago   Jul 13, '15 4:07pm  

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>> Not while a dictator is still in power.
 
@CBP210: If that's the only qualification then we should break off support/relations immediately with Vietnam, Thailand, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman, Jordan, UAE, Morocco, Equatorial Guinea, Egypt, Chad, Uganda, and Rwanda.All are singularly controlled authoritarian governments that we currently engage with and support.  Seems we can turn a national blind-eye to a lot of issues if there is money/benefit in it for us.Hemingway loved Cuba.  That's good enough for me.
 
@shodan66: I have lots of friends from that country whose family suffered under that regime. many of them fled and one thing they all told me was they would never return while Castro is still alive.
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 13, '15 7:13pm  

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>> Not while a dictator is still in power.
 
@CBP210: If that's the only qualification then we should break off support/relations immediately with Vietnam, Thailand, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman, Jordan, UAE, Morocco, Equatorial Guinea, Egypt, Chad, Uganda, and Rwanda.All are singularly controlled authoritarian governments that we currently engage with and support.  Seems we can turn a national blind-eye to a lot of issues if there is money/benefit in it for us.Hemingway loved Cuba.  That's good enough for me.
 
@shodan66: I have lots of friends from that country whose family suffered under that regime. many of them fled and one thing they all told me was they would never return while Castro is still alive.
 
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They suffered because they opposed the regime. That is the fallout of that action, right or wrong they lost.
In my mind this was a gigantic failure of communism only held together all these years by the dolts in Russia and knuckleheads in Venezuela. I see no point in continuing the embargo, felt this way for a while, no matter who our president is. I also don't think we should rush in with a bunch of aid. Let them work their way out of poverty. 4951
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chilladahun Active Indicator LED Icon 2
~ 8 years ago   Jul 14, '15 3:29am  
I'm a first generation American of Cuban descent. My parents and grandparents fled Cuba after Castro took over with nothing but the clothes on their back. Of the 6, only my dad is still with us.My paternal grandmother repeatedly stated she only wanted to live long enough to see Castro die. she didn't make it. But, she laughed heartily every time I showed her that video clip of Castro falling off the stage. I have mixed feelings about lifting the embargo. On the one hand, it hasn't changed much in Cuba. On the other hand, lifting the embargo will do little or nothing to help the Cuban people but it will funnel millions of dollars into the Castro regime.I am for a "graduated" lifting of the embargo based upon Cuban meeting certain benchmarks of freedom. 4951
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doddlebug Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 8 years ago   Jul 14, '15 10:24am  
Oppressive Regime; enough said.   4951
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 14, '15 10:29am  
They suffered because they opposed the regime. That is the fallout of that action, right or wrong they lost.
 
@ET:  Uh, no. Most of the people who have paid the biggest price due to this repressive, communist regime are the folks who stayed in Cuba. Maybe they wanted out but couldn't escape, maybe they believed Castro would bring better times -- whatever. But everyone, except Castro's elites, have suffered.
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ET Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 8 years ago   Jul 14, '15 10:55am  

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>> They suffered because they opposed the regime. That is the fallout of that action, right or wrong they lost.
 
@ET:  Uh, no. Most of the people who have paid the biggest price due to this repressive, communist regime are the folks who stayed in Cuba. Maybe they wanted out but couldn't escape, maybe they believed Castro would bring better times -- whatever. But everyone, except Castro's elites, have suffered.
 
@HollyHobby: Uh, those that supported made out OK, those that didn't support suffered, is my point. Keep in mind the bar of 'making out OK" is pretty low.
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 14, '15 11:00am  
The only good thing in Cuba are the cool old cars. I read that the law there prohibits anyone from owning a car newer than 1959. There's a goldmine of old cars there that could eventually see their way back to the U.S.
 
@WskyTngoFxtrt:  Actually, that was when the US and Cuba broke relations so no new American cars have been sold there since then.  I'm sure they have newer Comm-block cars there.
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shodan66 Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 8 years ago   Jul 14, '15 11:24am  
@shodan66:
 
I have lots of friends from that country whose family suffered under that regime. many of them fled and one thing they all told me was they would never return while Castro is still alive.
 
@CBP210: I suspect we'd hear the same from people who have fled the other regimes I listed as well.  I'm not trying to minimalize the plight of the Cuban people.  I'm just pointing out that having a totalitarian/authoritarian government does not appear to be in and of itself a reason for the US to not have diplomatic/trade relations.Everything I've read reference Cuba talks about the beautiful landscape and the wonderful, friendly people.  It used to be quite the Caribbean playground.  If lifting the embargo helps it thrive again like it once did, I'm all for it.  @chilladahun brings up an excellent point about conditional lifting.  I could get behind that.  I just don't see where the embargo has hurt anyone other than the poor and I don't believe we have to take an all-or-nothing approach at lifting it.
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Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13
~ 8 years ago   Jul 14, '15 11:39am  
I have no issues with the people of Cuba.  It's their government that is the problem. Two significant things have happened that have softened their tone.1. The Soviet Union has dissolved and Cuba is not getting the same level of support that they once were.2. Fidel has turned over power to brother Raul.  Raul is more open to talking.@Ray:  As far as having a REAL President in 1962,  JFK chickened out in 1961 when American supported anti-Castro revolutionists had landed in Cuba, and at the last minute JFK CANCELLED SUPPORT which resulted in the Bay of Pigs fiasco.  Castro then figured JFK was a weakling and thumbed his nose at JFK by accepting missles from the Soviet Union in 1962.  JFK knew he had to take a strong, firm stand, and stick with it during the Cuban Missle Crisis or he knew he would never get re-elected AND he would go down in history as a weak leader. 4951
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bubbleyes72 Active Indicator LED Icon 18 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Jul 14, '15 11:49am  
I have no issues with the people of Cuba.  It's their government that is the problem. 
 
Two significant things have happened that have softened their tone.
1. The Soviet Union has dissolved and Cuba is not getting the same level of support that they once were.
2. Fidel has turned over power to brother Raul.  Raul is more open to talking.
 
@Ray:  As far as having a REAL President in 1962,  JFK chickened out in 1961 when American supported anti-Castro revolutionists had landed in Cuba, and at the last minute JFK CANCELLED SUPPORT which resulted in the Bay of Pigs fiasco.  Castro then figured JFK was a weakling and thumbed his nose at JFK by accepting missles from the Soviet Union in 1962.  JFK knew he had to take a strong, firm stand, and stick with it during the Cuban Missle Crisis or he knew he would never get re-elected AND he would go down in history as a weak leader.
@Retired_Engineer: I watched a BIO of JFK, I remember the reporter saying JFK was on a flight when he got word that Castro had accepted those missiles from the SU, the reporter stated that JFK had to make a strong hold or there would have been a WWIII. 4951
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