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by: herron1345 Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 6:40pm  
...This is my very own quote from the "Same Sex Marriage" Thread.... "....in an intellectually honest conversation, does this not take on a slippery slope in which "ALL" marriages should be recognized, and legal, such as Emoticonolygamy, or Incestuous Marriages, since everyone's shouting that it's "All about love".....  July 1, 2015Nathan Collier, who lives in Billings, Mont., applied for a marriage license Tuesday for his polygamous relationship with his two wives.The U.S. Supreme Court decision last Friday on same-sex marriage prompted him to seek the license, he said.The Supreme Court's decision made marriage legal nationwide between same-sex couples. But in his dissent, Chief Justice John Roberts said that the legal argument used to justify same-sex marriage could be used by polygamist couples. Collier said that argument inspired him to apply.County clerk officials took Collier's application and are consulting with the county's attorney's office, according to Collier.Kevin Gillen, the Yellowstone County chief civil litigator, is reviewing Montana's bigamy laws and plans to respond next week, according to the AP.If they deny the license application, Collier plans to get an attorney and file a civil rights lawsuit, he said."Right now we're just sitting here with a lot of anxiety," he said. "We don't know if we're going to have a wedding, a civil lawsuit or a criminal defense."LINK:http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/07/02/montana-polygamous-marriage-license-supreme-court/29612673/....My friends, where do we consciously, morally, "And In God We Trust" draw the line?  ...Or hell, is there even a line to draw? 4951
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Stealth83 Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 6:52pm  
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Burnsway Active Indicator LED Icon 13
~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 7:11pm  
We draw the line at age and blood relatives. 4951
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ProblemAgain Active Indicator LED Icon 10
~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 7:28pm  
none of the histrionics are true. the definition of marriage is still a legal union between two consenting adults. there have always been legal bars to plural marriages and to relatives unless the relationship is of a certain distance. all the ******** about polygamy, pedophilia  and farm animals is simply that: ********...and remember extending the constitutional provisions to cover gay people does not compel your church to perform marriages for gay people nor require you to marry a gay person. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 7:30pm  
none of the histrionics are true. the definition of marriage is still a legal union between two consenting adults. there have always been legal bars to plural marriages and to relatives unless the relationship is of a certain distance. all the ******** about polygamy, pedophilia  and farm animals is simply that: ********...and remember extending the constitutional provisions to cover gay people does not compel your church to perform marriages for gay people nor require you to marry a gay person.
 
@ProblemAgain:  when you appease the lion, the only thing it ensures is that you will be the last one eaten. But you will be eaten.
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herron1345 Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 7:38pm  
I'm all for love, for the same Financial / Tax Benefits, and the same mutual respect to be given to those other than Heterosexual Couples, and I am wholeheartedly behind any type of "Union" that it wants to be called, but for me personally, "Marriage" is defined as a Sacrament, or a Holy Union, between a Man, a Woman, and God....  Marriage has been defined between a Man and a Woman for Millennia and beyond...  I mean, before the days of Jesus, before the days of America, and way before the days of The Supreme Court....  And do I believe that The Supreme Court over stepped their boundary with their recent ruling....  Damn Skippy, I do....  My friends, this is a very slippery slope when our very own federal government disregards The Constitution, and starts to insert itself into areas that are supposed to be left to the states.  Of course, this has been happening since the beginning of the "Progressive" Movement, since they care nothing for the Rule Of Law, unless it helps them to gain more power it seems...  Let's see here... First, let's take prayer out of schools, demand the removal of The Ten Commandments and any type of Christian memorabilia from State and Federal Buildings, and now lets re-write the sanctity of Marriage...  ***k what the Bible says, ***k what the Torah says, hell, even ***k what the Koran says about Marriage...  And ***k that this country was founded on Judea-Christian Values...  Am I the only one that sees this "Divide And Conquer" technique being played here?  Many of those things were in place when the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution.....  Funny how these Supreme Court Judges now think they know better about what is Constitutional, than the people who originally wrote it.....  Talk about arrogance.....And does anyone else find it ironic that the peeps chanting for "Tolerance," are the ones NOT at all willing to compromise, or respect any other ideologies, or beliefs other than their own?....  And ever notice how quick these so-called tolerant victims are to call names and throw out labels if you disagree with their cause...  4951
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 7:39pm  
It is now to late, we have already crossed the line.My personal opinion is:  The Supreme court is not authorized to "REDEFINE" what God has defined.  Once they did that it was all over.  I am not opposed to a "Civil Union" type for Gay/Lesbian's (even though I do not agree with it either) but Marriage was defined in the Bible over 2000 years ago.   I am sorry but the SCOTUS is not above God and therefore I do not and will not recognize their decision.  4951
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 7:40pm  
extending the constitutional provisions to cover gay people does not compel your church to perform marriages for gay people
 
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Yet. That WILL be a future fight before the SCOTUS. Outcome will depend on the makeup of the court at the time.
 
I wouldn't do it but as far as polygamy...to each their own. 4951
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 7:44pm  
I saw the other day where NY just allowed an uncle to marry his niece... and in another state a man came forward demanding a second marriage cert so he can marry his second wife in bigamy ...  The scotus doesn't understand nor do the public the pandora's box that has been opened now.  They want equal rights for all???  Well nothing will shock me as to what is going to happen.   I think I will apply for a cert to marry my truck!! 4951
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herron1345 Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 7:47pm  
"extending the constitutional provisions"..... @ProblemAgainPlease site the Section and Article of The Constitution that allows the Federal Government the right to define, or re-write for that matter the definition of Marriage.....  4951
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 8:00pm  
...nor require you to marry a gay person.
 
@ProblemAgain: thank God you cleared *that* up for me. I thought I was required to gay marry someone. Chaz is probably going to be super disappointed when I tell him it's off. It's all for the best because I'm horrible at interior design and I hate Lady Gaga.
 
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 8:06pm  
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 8:09pm  
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States ConstitutionSection 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make
or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of
citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the
several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole
number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when
the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for
President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in
Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members
of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of
such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in
Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any
office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State,
who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an
officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature,
or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or
rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove
such disability.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United
States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of
pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or
rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor
any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of
insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for
the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations
and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.[1]
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herron1345 Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 8:14pm  
The intent of this thread is purposely to call attention to the labeling of certain groups going on right now, resulting in the DIVISION of us as Americans.....  And the fact that our very own Government is overstepping their Judicial boundaries, disregarding The Constitution, and obviously pushing their own agenda, instead of actually adhering to the set Rule Of Law is nothing less than unlawful arrogance at best....My friends, a many man have lay down their life for the Liberties and Freedoms that we so blessed enjoy daily, and we must be vigilant in observing, protecting, and defending these rights....We must be vocal in proclaiming that the obvious goal of this Administration, and of certain Political Affiliations, is to DIVIDE AND CONQUER instead of Unite.....We need to stand united, not as Black Americans, Gay Americans, Asian Americans, Lesbian Americans, White Americans, Indian Americans, etc etc, but as AMERICANS...  Period.... ~ For The People, By The People ~
 
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 8:17pm  
What You'll Need
1 pound ground beef
1 package (about 1 ounce) taco seasoning mix or burrito seasoning mix
1 can (about 16 ounces) refried beans
1 can (10 3/4 ounces) Campbell�s� Condensed Cheddar Cheese Soup
1 medium onion, chopped (about 1/2 cup)
1 cup cooked cooked long grain white rice (optional)
12 flour tortillas (10-inch), warmed
1 1/2 cups enchilada sauce
1/2 cup shredded Cheddar cheese
How to Make It
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Heat the oven to 350�F. Cook the beef in a 10-inch skillet over medium-high heat until well browned, stirring often to separate meat. Pour off any fat. Stir the seasoning mix, beans, soup, onion and rice, if desired, in the skillet.
2
Divide the beef mixture among the tortillas. Roll up the tortillas and place seam-side down into a 3-quart shallow baking dish. Pour the enchilada sauce over the filled tortillas and sprinkle with shredded Cheddar cheese.
3
Bake for 20 minutes or until the enchiladas are hot and bubbling.
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~ 8 years ago   Jul 5, '15 8:20pm  
The history of Spain dates back to the Early Middle Ages. In 1516, Habsburg Spain unified a number of disparate predecessor kingdoms; its modern form of a constitutional monarchy was introduced in 1813, and the current democratic constitution dates to 1978.
 
After the completion of the Reconquista, the kingdoms of Spain were united under Habsburg rule in 1516. At the same time, the Spanish Empire began to expand to the New World across the ocean, marking the beginning of the Spanish Golden Age of Spain, during which, from the early 1500s to the 1650s, Habsburg Spain was among the most powerful states in Europe.
 
In this time, Spain was involved in all major European wars, including the Italian Wars, the Eighty Years' War, the Thirty Years' War, and the Franco-Spanish War. In the later 17th century, however, Spanish power began to decline, and after the death of the last Habsburg ruler, the War of the Spanish Succession ended with the relegation of Spain, now under Bourbon rule, to the status of a second-rate power with a reduced influence in European affairs. The so-called Bourbon Reforms attempted the renewal of state institutions, with some success, but as the century ended, instability set in with the French Revolution and the Peninsular War, so that Spain never regained its former strength.
 
Fragmented by the war, Spain at the beginning of the 19th century was destabilised as different political parties representing "liberal", "reactionary", and "moderate" groups throughout the remainder of the century fought for and won short-lived control without any being sufficiently strong to bring about lasting stability. The former Spanish Empire overseas quickly disintegrated with the Latin American wars of independence and eventually the loss of what old colonies remained in the Spanish�American War of 1898.
 
A tenuous balance between liberal and conservative forces was struck in the establishment of constitutional monarchy during 1874�1931 but brought no lasting solution, and Spain descended into Civil War between the Republican and the Nationalist factions.
 
The war ended in a nationalist dictatorship, led by Francisco Franco, which controlled the Spanish government until 1975. The post-war decades were relatively stable (with the notable exception of an armed independence movement in the Basque Country), and the country experienced rapid economic growth in the 1960s and early 1970s.
 
Only with the death of Franco in 1975 did Spain return to Bourbon constitutional monarchy headed by Prince Juan Carlos and to democracy. Spain entered the European Economic Community in 1986 (transformed into the European Union with the Maastricht Treaty of 1992), and the Eurozone in 1999. The financial crisis of 2007�08 ended a decade of economic boom and Spain entered a recession and debt crisis and remains plagued by very high unemployment and a weak economy. 4951
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