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by: dac1842 Active Indicator LED Icon 3 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Mar 10, '15 8:54pm  
This letter will do nothing to impair our safety. I agree it was ill advised, but other than that it is not a big deal since if Dumbama does forge an agreement the Senate can vote it down.Now, let's talk about what does jeopardize our safety. A military cutback to pre World War II levels, that seriously impacts our safety. Failure to recognize that ISIS is a terrorist organization, and what they are doing in the Middle East, is a threat to our safety. Essentially throwing immigration laws out of the window, and handcuffing our ICE and Border Patrol agents hands, endangers our safety. Liberals are busy being left, they are never right. 4951
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ProblemAgain Active Indicator LED Icon 10
~ 9 years ago   Mar 10, '15 9:22pm  
Republicans are crossing a dangerous new line: sabotaging US foreign policy
Updated by Max Fisher on March 9, 2015, 11:14 p.m. ET @Max_Fisher max@vox.com
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Throughout Barack
Obama's presidency, Republicans in Congress have deployed a strategy
that has worked remarkably well for them: oppose, obstruct, and sabotage
the Obama administration at every turn.
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President
Obama to be a one-term president," Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell, then
the Senate minority leader, said in 2010.
A few months later, McConnell acknowledged that Republicans had
decided to deny President Obama any bipartisan support, not because they
necessarily opposed each and every initiative, but to hurt Obama
politically. "We worked very hard to keep our fingerprints off of these
proposals," he said.
"Because we thought — correctly, I think — that the only way the
American people would know that a great debate was going on was if the
measures were not bipartisan."
This strategy led Republicans to adopt largely unprecedented tactics
of obstructionism and sabotage. But no matter how far they went, there
is one line they have always avoided crossing: undermining US foreign
policy.
That line is now being crossed. Republicans, driven by earnest
policy disagreements with Obama over his approach to Iran, are bringing
the tactics they used to undermine Obama's legislative agenda into the
previously sacrosanct realm of foreign policy.
"the GOP are blazing new trails in politicization of foreign policy — and debasement of their institutions"
Republicans are not just overtly sabotaging Obama's Iran policy, but
his constitutionally enshrined authority over foreign policy. This is
unprecedented. If the trend continues — Republicans have already
extended their efforts to Obama's relationship with Israel — it
endangers not just US policy toward the Middle East, but the very way
that the United States makes foreign policy.
The possible implications for the United States and its role as global leader should worry Americans of every political stripe.
Republicans are adapting the tactics they used against legislation like Obamacare to Obama's foreign policy
 
Secretary of State John Kerry shakes hands with
Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif in Geneva, where nuclear
negotiations are being held (RICK WILKING/AFP/Getty)
Until now, for all the tactics of obstruction that Republicans used
against Obama's legislative agenda, they generally treated foreign
policy as sacrosanct. They got close only once before,
when they threatened to block Obama's 2010 nuclear disarmament treaty
with Russia. But they backed down when foreign policy graybeards from
Henry Kissinger to Colin Powell told them to knock it off.
Republicans, after all, tend to prize America's role as the
world's sole superpower. They see this as crucial for the future of the
United States and would not put their own partisan political goals ahead
of it. Even if they disagree with Obama's execution of foreign policy,
and would say so openly, they refrained from sabotaging him in the way
that they had on domestic policy. Until the Iran talks.
Republicans are earnestly alarmed about the Obama administration's
effort to negotiate a nuclear deal with Iran. They believe that Iran is
negotiating in bad faith and will exploit any deal to further its
nuclear program. Many analysts find this argument unpersuasive,
but it is a valid position, and fair play to oppose the Iran deal on
those grounds. But that opposition has grown into something much bigger
than that, and with consequences beyond Iran policy.
Republicans, joined by some Democrats, tried for months to pass new
economic sanctions on Iran. The aim was clear: to kill the negotiations,
humiliating Obama on the world stage in the process. The US is offering
sanctions relief to Iran as part of any deal. By passing new sanctions
while the talks are still ongoing, Congress would send the message that
the president is not actually in charge of foreign policy and that the
US cannot be trusted to uphold its word. Iran would have little choice
but to walk away.
Republicans have not been able to pass new sanctions; Democrats, and
even a number of Republicans, have seemed unwilling to so openly
embarrass their own president on the world stage.
The moment that the line was crossed came on January 8, when McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner took matters into their own hands.
They secretly arranged for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,
who also opposes Iran talks and has a famously poor relationship with
Obama, to speak to a joint session of Congress urging them to kill the
negotiations.
"We are sailing into uncharted waters"
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fcabanski Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 9 years ago   Mar 10, '15 10:57pm  
It wasn't ill advised.Making a deal to allow Iran to have nukes is ill advised. 4951
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dac1842 Active Indicator LED Icon 3 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Mar 11, '15 5:38am  
I agree, the deal itself is not in our best interest. 4951
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FoFa Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 9 years ago   Mar 11, '15 7:18am  
#letter2iran 4951
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rocket Active Indicator LED Icon 3
~ 9 years ago   Mar 11, '15 7:50am  
What seems to be lost on most people is that the negotiations do not just involve the U.S.  The other countries at the table are France, Germany, Britain, Russia, and China.  Additionally a common false refrain is after X number of years, the U.S. will allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon. President Obama like presidents before him have clearly stated allowing Iran to obtain the bomb is not an option.Seems to me the bottom line is the negotiations are an attempt to prevent another Middle East conflict that could easily turn into a global one. Let's play the nightmare scenario, the U.S. is forced to bomb Iran. Iran then declares war on the U.S.  Once a formal declaration of war is declared by a recognized state, the NATO treaty becomes effective which means all member nations declare war on Iran.  Iran then aligns itself with say Russia or China.  You get the picture.The reason why Iran is at the table at all is because U.S. led sanctions have crippled its economy.  So they are using the only leverage they have, the threat of obtaining the bomb.  But it is thought by much smarter people than I they realize neither the U.S. or its allies would tolerate such a thing.  So the clear objective for them is the lifting of sanctions.  Everything else is saber rattling.Now to the issue of the 47 senators.  I happen to like political history.  That said there has always been nasty squabbles between Presidents and Congress.  BUT the way this particular President has been treated is extraordinary, why?  My personal opinion is the Republican party in particular has been infiltrated by extremist whose opposition against the President goes beyond mere political disagreement.  Their opposition is personal.  And they have been voted in office by aspects of the base that have let their hatred and prejudice toward the man himself come before anything else.Case in point.  The President wanted to speak to the nations school children in 2009 basically to encourage them to study hard due to the fact a good education will not only benefit them personally but allow us to compete on the world stage.  My God there was near mass hysteria.  There were people saying he wants to "indoctrinate" my kids into socialism, or he is a secret Muslim that wants to encourage them to join his religion.  The irony is in 1989, President George H.W. Bush essentially did the same thing in regards to drug abuse which went almost unnoticed.As I have indicated before, I think at the end of the day much like Bloody Sunday in Selma, fifty years from now the nation will look back at the visceral way many Americans regarded the first black President, and we will be ashamed of ourselves. 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Mar 11, '15 7:56am  
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beastmode Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Mar 11, '15 8:10am  
Theocracies go against everything our country was built upon. We should not be making agreements, deals, giving them money or taking it from them as the Clinton's did for any reason. All these approaches enable them to continue discriminating and treating others with different beliefs as 3rd class citizens.   4951
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FoFa Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 9 years ago   Mar 12, '15 9:35am  
A petition on whitehouse.gov calling for charges to be filed against the 47 senators who sent an open letter to the leaders of Iran, possibly in violation of the Logan Act, has collected more than 165,000 signatures in less than two days.Because the petition exceeded 100,000 signatures within 30 days, the White House is required to respond.The creator of this petition, known only by the initials C.H., alleges that the 47 senators “committed a treasonous offense when they decided to violate the Logan Act, a 1799 law which forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments.”The letter, which was published on Monday, warned Iranian leaders that any nuclear deal they sign with President Obama won’t last past his second term. 4951
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Stealth83 Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 9 years ago   Mar 12, '15 9:50am  
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~ 9 years ago   Mar 12, '15 9:58am  
The law was never enforced. In order to enforce laws you need conviction from strong leaders which we do not have. If we did Clapper would be in a Federal pin along with a laundry list of politicians on both sides. Laws are worthless unless enforced. And I have 6,000 new people every month who would agree with me that are now on our side of the fence.     4951
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FoFa Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 9 years ago   Mar 12, '15 10:25am  
So where did they negotiate?  they simply informed of facts.
 
@Stealth83: Just a news brief that popped up on my news feed.
It still quite frankly was a stupid stunt. 4951
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sweetie Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator
~ 9 years ago   Mar 12, '15 2:34pm  
Hmmm.. The petition was started by someone with initials C.H. .., Perhaps it's Hillary Clinton who started the petition to deflect her email situation. She wanted to make sure no one would know it's her petition so she put her initials backward because she's so much smarter than everyone else that no one could figure it out.. 4951
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FoFa Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 9 years ago   Mar 13, '15 7:43am  
Iran’s supreme leader expressed concern Thursday that nuclear talks with the United States could face new hurdles, saying a letter of warning from Republican senators signaled a “collapse of political ethics” in Washington.Ayatollah Ali Khamenei suggested that internal divisions in Washington make Iranian negotiators question the U.S. ability to follow through with the current talks over ways to monitor and limit Tehran’s nuclear program.“Isn’t this the ultimate degree of the collapse of political ethics and the U.S. system’s internal disintegration?” Khamenei was quoted by the official IRNA news agency in his first public statements since the GOP letter saying any possible accord could be undone unless it had congressional approval. 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Mar 13, '15 10:01am  
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~ 9 years ago   Mar 13, '15 4:15pm  
Iran’s supreme leader expressed concern Thursday that nuclear talks with the United States could face new hurdles, saying a letter of warning from Republican senators signaled a “collapse of political ethics” in Washington.Ayatollah Ali Khamenei suggested that internal divisions in Washington make Iranian negotiators question the U.S. ability to follow through with the current talks over ways to monitor and limit Tehran’s nuclear program.“Isn’t this the ultimate degree of the collapse of political ethics and the U.S. system’s internal disintegration?” Khamenei was quoted by the official IRNA news agency in his first public statements since the GOP letter saying any possible accord could be undone unless it had congressional approval.
 
@FoFa:  and that was the whole point if sending that letter: to undermine the talks.
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