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Why There Is A Lack Of Discipline In Schools

Why There Is A Lack Of Discipline In Schools

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by: rocket Active Indicator LED Icon 3 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 7:19am  
This is a quote from Dr. Julia Hare in regards to education: "When they made our parents afraid of disciplining the children. Then what happened? We found out that the teachers was afraid of the principal, the principals were afraid of the superintendent, superintendent was scared of the school board, school board was scared of the parents, parents was scared of the children - and the children ain't scared of nobody." She was speaking to a specific group. But I think the wisdom is universal and priceless.        4951
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 7:22am  
It's the parents' business to discipline children, not the schools'.
 
Schools are there to transfer knowledge. If a child is disciplined at home he or she is unlikely to need discipline at school 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 7:34am  
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 8:16am  
This couldn't be more true 😩 My husband wants to leave the teaching profession because he's tired of dealing with this. Kids are not disciplined at home, and then the teachers are basically blamed for their failure by parents and the parents are backed up by spineless school administrators. 4951
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rocket Active Indicator LED Icon 3 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 8:18am  
It's the parents' business to discipline children, not the schools'.
 
Schools are there to transfer knowledge. If a child is disciplined at home he or she is unlikely to need discipline at school
 
@notfromhere: I dunno I agree with your premise that a child disciplined at home is unlikely to need it a school.  However, when I was in school like many of us back in the day, when that didn't work you got it from your teacher or principal and then you got it when you went home after the teacher called.  Now it might not have been the perfect system, but for the most part you didn't see guns at school and a need for a school police force.  You also didn't have teachers being cursed out by the students and parents cursing the teacher out because little Suzie got a well deserved 0 during that class session for not doing her homework.
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donnatella Active Indicator LED Icon 13 Forum Moderator
~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 8:53am  
It happened when all of this "be a friend to your kids, don't spank, share and talk" business hit mainstream, parents bought into it and stopped disciplining their kids.
 
THEN those se parents want to go nuclear on the school every time their darling babies are disciplined or the babies don't get exactly their way in class. They want to SUE for everything. They want to teach the school and the teacher a lesson for saying "NO" to their kid. They want to and often do call the liberal media each time someone looks cross-eyed at their precious darling baby.
 
The schools are afraid of lawsuits. Crazed radical parents who don't do their jobs at home have tied the schools hands and now no one can or will discipline the darling precious little monsters. They graduate thinking the world revolves around them and are unleashed on society and they turn around and act just like their parents did regarding the schools, teachers, the media, etc. They are now perfect examples of why that bull**** doesn't work. 4951
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rocket Active Indicator LED Icon 3 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 9:01am  
^^^I agree with everything you said, except for the liberal media statement  Emoticon 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 9:58am  
^^^I agree with everything you said, except for the liberal media statement  Emoticon
 
@rocket:
 
She should of said 'libs' not liberals. It's the new nasty 4 letter word right? I mean its the word people on here call everyone they don't agree with regardless of the issue. "I don't agree with you, you must be a lib." That's how it works. When someone writes that word my eyes involuntarily roll and I'm sure I make some sort of exasperated sound. Then my mind automatically assumes the writer of that word had no original thoughts of their own. Sorry rant over.
 
So yes. If my kids needed a spanking you can bet they got one. No I don't want the school doing it. I took care of discipline on my own. If it was still okay in the school I would not fight to rid it from the school. It would be my preference to handle it at home. That being said I think schools had more commons sense as a whole when I was in school than some of the schools do now. Example. Expel a kid for a school year because he took tylenol due to a headache, dumb. Some schools take things too far without common sense involved. Not always. There are some damn fine teachers out there. And some that need to reevaluate their career path. 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 10:02am  
I went to private Catholic school. We had sadistic Ninja Nuns whom I still think to this day took great delight in getting the opportunity to give you an *** whuppin.That was not my worry. It was them calling my Dad. When I got home, I then got a real *** whuppin. Kids need discipline. Its sometimes required for hard headed lil turds like I was.Time outs and all that liberal garbage are a joke. Pain works. EVERY time.The military finally made a MAN out of me. Young men need direction, structure and disipline and a definite father figure in their lives.Young women are like cats. They do what the hell they want anyway.I am blessed to have 2 great kids, one fine young man that is an A&M graduate, and my Daughter who finishes college next semester. I have discovered in raising children boys are a piece of cake. Girls are a pain!Emoticon 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 10:12am  
I have always told my kids that if they get in trouble at school, then they are in triple trouble at home.  I don't care what the circumstances are, unless they are extreme.  So far only my two eldest have been in trouble at school ONCE.  They were almost afraid to come home because they knew the punishment would be WAY worse.  The youngest one has not been in trouble at school at all yet, but she is only in 2nd grade so we will see. 4951
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BlissfullyRetired Active Indicator LED Icon 2
~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 10:18am  
F that!! I'm not scared of kids. I'll whoop my kids **** in a heartbeat. Scared of yours? Bring him by, I'll whoop his **** too
 
@mm4731: mm, just don't do it in public. When I was a kid, I got my **** whipped on a regular basis and I deserved it. It didn't always prevent my bad behavior but it was definitely a deterrent and I never thought of it as child abuse. Parents today can't discipline their children like they did when we were kids or they may find their **** in  jail.
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~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 11:30am  
I think it has less to do with a lack of discipline and more to do with a lack of respect.  If you respect yourself and others, there is far less need for outside discipline.  But, we are a society of disrespect and that is spreading to our kids.  I was taught to respect my elders and those in positions of authority.  When we have adults constantly talking down about other people, their kids' teachers, the president, etc. our kids hear that, and it undermines any respect they might have for these people or anyone for that matter. 4951
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Odin Active Indicator LED Icon 10
~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 11:39am  
I don't care what the circumstances are, unless they are extreme. 
 
@Nurse3: Not sure if this qualifies as extreme, but I not only encourage my child to fight back when bullied, I reward it.
If that gets him in trouble at school, so be it.  Better to get a slap on the wrist than walk around with a target on his back. 4951
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Odin Active Indicator LED Icon 10
~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 11:40am  
and those in positions of authority.
 
@HotterThanYou: very dangerous precedent to respect those in authority just because they are in authority.
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HotterThanYou Active Indicator LED Icon 1
~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 11:45am  
You can disagree with someone and still respect them and/or their position.  That's the problem, people don't know how to do that anymore.  4951
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Odin Active Indicator LED Icon 10
~ 9 years ago   Nov 14, '14 11:52am  
You can disagree with someone and still respect them and/or their position.  That's the problem, people don't know how to do that anymore.
 
@HotterThanYou: I agree with you at a personal level, but I'm thinking there are a lot of people in authority in government and corporations that not only deserve no respect but deserve  tar and feathering.
I actually think that people are more forgiving of the corrupt and incompetent now than they were in the past.  Sure, that's not exactly respect... but it is certainly not holding them accountable.  If the financial shenanigans/disasters of the last decade occurred 100 years ago there would be heads rolling (maybe literally).    Why are all those bankers still walking around free (and flush with cash from their escapades)?As such, I have lost all respect for our "leaders".  They don't deserve it.   4951
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