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Poisoned dogs - Elmgrove/Sherwood Trails.

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by: Livnwright Active Indicator LED Icon  OP  New Member
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 8:55am  
Monday, October 6, we woke to our happy and healthy fur family.  Fed them breakfast and started our morning.  After about 2 hours we realized one of them hadn't been seen in a bit (she is always under foot).  We have a dog door and have access to the backyard.  We looked around and found her lifeless in the back yard.  Initial thought was she had a seizure and passed - the other two appeared fine.  We took her the for cremation and returned home.  We found her brother wimpering,lethargic and with signficant facial swelling.  By the time we loaded him up, scoured the house and back yard for anything suspicious (found absolutely nothing - no remnants of  pill bottles, foods, etc).  By the time we arrived at the vet's office he was fighting for his life and poor prognosis.  Classic Tylenol poisoning.  He is home and recovering and time will tell about any residual deficits.
 
We rarely take tylenol and actually have not had any in the house for a while.  If they had gotten into pills in the house, the Little one (who mostly stays inside) would have been the leader in the escapade, yet she is without symptoms.  Our suspcision is high - someone concealed enough in a delicious treat (making sure all was consumed) and tossed it into our yard. 
 
I would be interested if anyone else has had a recent incident.....
 
Perhaps, reporting our 'neighbors' nuisance dog brought about some consequences.
 
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OhHappyPets Active Indicator LED Icon 3
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 9:08am  
Oh man, that's terrible! So sorry for your loss! I really hope your pup pulls through & you find out what happened. It does seem suspicious, do you not get along with your neighbors?
I have a client who is lovely, but her neighbors are the nastiest people I've come across in my life. Neighbor feuds get crazy really quickly. 4951
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Jpgurl Active Indicator LED Icon 18
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 9:40am  
Quick question- did the vet say it was actually Tylenol or did they say the liver had been damaged like you see in Tylenol poisoning.
 
The reason I ask is because of rat poison and subsequent poisoned rats. Rat and mice poison bait works because it is toxic to the liver ( like Tylenol). And it doesn't kill the rodent immediately- over days. I know this because my dog tried to go after a rat that was stumbling around the yard. Thankfully contact was minimal but I still rushed him to the vet. He was ok but the vet explained that it takes very minute amounts of poisoned blood to kill a dog.
I'm really sorry about your dogs- if it was intentional - how very very cruel. Thanks for the warning- I try to keep an eye on my dogs when they're out but one of mine likes to lay in the sun and sometimes I get busy 4951
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Elle10 Active Indicator LED Icon 1
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 11:40am  
I live in Elm Grove and one of our dogs was poisoned earlier this year...seizures, vomiting, losing control over her bowels, foaming at the mouth, etc. We took her to the Vet ER and all they offered was to put her on an IV drip during the night. She was drinking LOTS of water between throwing up, so we just took her home and watched over her all night, feeding her NutriCal and water.There is some major sicko lurking in our neighborhood and I want them OUT. 4951
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landlady Active Indicator LED Icon 2
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 11:50am  
Horrible. I hope they catch the dirt bag. Prayers for recovery 4951
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Francita Active Indicator LED Icon 17
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 11:59am  
Wow. That it horrible. Take even more precaution with Halloween around the corner, you just never know about people that do something like this. 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 12:06pm  
Horrible!  I'm sorry about your dogs.  I hope the sicko is caught and punished. 4951
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Jpgurl Active Indicator LED Icon 18
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 12:13pm  
Once again are we sure it's Tylenol poisoning? How many of you or your neighbors have and put out rat bait? I know I did until that incident with my dog and the poisoned rat. Even if the dog ( or cat) doesn't get into it in your garage it can still die from contact with a poisoned animal. The vet told me all it could take is a small amount of body fluid exchange for a dog to die. I'm all for punishing a person who is doing this purposely BUT let's make sure it's not a collateral damage kind of thing. 4951
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Elle10 Active Indicator LED Icon 1
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 12:29pm  
We have never put out rat bait, or had any other toxic substances in our yard - but our house backs up to the Greenbelt and dozens of people walk by daily. Thankfully, our dog has fully recovered. I believe she was intentionally poisoned. She never barks, and we only have one (kind, dog-loving) neighbor next to us. I think it was someone just passing by. 4951
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Livnwright Active Indicator LED Icon  OP  New Member
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 12:44pm  
Thanks for all the concern. I reviewed s&s of rat poisoning in dogs and compared to Tylenol poisoning. The surviving dog clearly suffered the side effects of too much Tylenol. I have included a link that defines the s&s of different OTC analgesics. I was surprised at the differences in reactions between these medication. The surviving dog did not experience seizures or tremors, did have the significant facial swelling and keraconjunctivitis. IV Meds were given to help the liver and will be on maintenance Meds for an undefined time.
 
If a critter was 'ingested' I would anticipated finding some remains as it would be unusual for the whole to be consumed with no tell-tale signs. My only action is to put a warning out if this is a sick person entertaining self. My suspicion of neighbor will stop there - I would never retaliate, especially against the animals.
 
www.merckmanuals.com /vet/toxicology/toxi cities_from_human_dr ugs/analgesics_ 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 12:55pm  
So sorry to hear about your loss and issue of a potential killer. 4951
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ts_the1 Active Indicator LED Icon  New Member
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 1:38pm  
Do you or anyone around you have Sago Palm trees?  They are HIGHLY toxic and will cause acute liver failure.  An animal can die within minutes of ingestion.  All it takes is a squirrel or any other creature to drop a simple seed from the tree in your yard.  Just a thought.  Sorry to hear about your furbaby. 4951
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Livnwright Active Indicator LED Icon  OP  New Member
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 1:47pm  
No sago-palms in the vicinity and dogs are indoors mostly with access to the back yard. We considered all our plants in the back yard and have had them for as long as we have had the dogs (4 years). 4951
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Livnwright Active Indicator LED Icon  OP  New Member
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 1:47pm  
No sago-palms in the vicinity and dogs are indoors mostly with access to the back yard. We considered all our plants in the back yard and have had them for as long as we have had the dogs (4 years). 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 2:01pm  
Thanks for all the concern. I reviewed s&s of rat poisoning in dogs and compared to Tylenol poisoning. The surviving dog clearly suffered the side effects of too much Tylenol. I have included a link that defines the s&s of different OTC analgesics. I was surprised at the differences in reactions between these medication. The surviving dog did not experience seizures or tremors, did have the significant facial swelling and keraconjunctivitis. IV Meds were given to help the liver and will be on maintenance Meds for an undefined time.
 
If a critter was 'ingested' I would anticipated finding some remains as it would be unusual for the whole to be consumed with no tell-tale signs. My only action is to put a warning out if this is a sick person entertaining self. My suspicion of neighbor will stop there - I would never retaliate, especially against the animals.
 
www.merckmanuals.com /vet/toxicology/toxi cities_from_human_dr ugs/analgesics_
 
@Livnwright: ok so you didn't actually get a DX of Tylenol poisoning from the vet. It could be anything that's toxic to the liver then. You may well be right about your neighbor but for the surviving pets' sake don't discount other sources. You may not use rat poison BUT a neighbor 2 streets over may have. The poisoned animals don't die immediately - they can live for days and go about their business until they succomb to liver damage. In my case I saw the rat walking ( quite drunkenly) around the yard and was more than willing to run away from my dog. If I hadn't been outside right there I would've never seen evidence.
I'm not trying to discount your belief that it's a person, but I do believe that poison from another source is more likely. THAT being said if you do believe it's a person- go back and ask the vet- maybe he/she can shed some more light on the issue and then contact the police ( or maybe BARC)and file a report- at least you ( and they) will have a paper trail to help nab the person
 
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Burnsway Active Indicator LED Icon 13
~ 9 years ago   Oct 14, '14 2:05pm  
You don't have to use rat poison yourself, if someone Else uses a poison, they will leave the property and go elsewhere. We for some reason are having huge field mice and rat issues this year in north woodland hills.
 
It started when they dug up the ditch by the northpark/woodland hills Walgreens, our home is right by that green belt. We have fought this issue for months but new ones just appear, I have sat out on my top deck looking down at night watching them just walk across the street.
 
We refuse to use poison and just set traps up everywhere because I'm aware if I poison them they can die in the walls or get caught by a cat or another dog elsewhere causing death.
 
We had a rat terrier foster we suspect got one and died because of it but don't know for sure. Also people can fertilize their yard and a good rain storm can wash over into your yard from someone else's. This spring there was a thread on it about so many of us having sick dogs and that's when I lost the rat terrier....Emoticon 4951
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