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by: nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 1 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Apr 2, '14 9:25pm  
At Fort Hood. My God, I'm so sick of hearing these kind of stories.... 4951
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Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13
~ 9 years ago   Apr 2, '14 9:27pm  
Me too. Some people are just evil and some have mental problems.   4951
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nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 1 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Apr 2, '14 9:30pm  
This is an issue that really needs to be discussed. While people are yelling and screaming about guns, the underlying issue is not being addressed: the state of mental health in this country. THAT'S what the problem is, not guns restrictions or the lack thereof.  4951
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 2, '14 9:44pm  
This is an issue that really needs to be discussed. While people are yelling and screaming about guns, the underlying issue is not being addressed: the state of mental health in this country. THAT'S what the problem is, not guns restrictions or the lack thereof. 
 
@nikkiole: Ditto, as I sit hear reading more about a Mom who confessed to drowning two of her three young children yesterday morning about 5 miles from where I used to live in PA. We're the same age, both have 3 sons, the one passed at the hospital I worked at.... It hits so close to home.  And yet, there were signs of instability before - she "accidentally" backed into , and ran over, two of her kids in 2009. Left another in a car, in the summer, while she went shopping at the Mall. There's signs that her husband and parents were concerned for her health. I'm not sure why mental health wasn't pursued further, but it wasn't. And now one little sweet boy is gone and another is fighting for his life. Emoticon
There is a stigma with mental health, to begin with. I just don't know what the answer is to fixing our health care system - it needs a major overall, though. 4951
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nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 1 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Apr 2, '14 10:00pm  
Mental health is the issue and no one wants to talk about it. It's always about guns. And that's annoying. 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 2, '14 10:29pm  
Mental health is the issue and no one wants to talk about it. It's always about guns. And that's annoying.
 
@nikkiole: I agree with your statement, but... why is it that no one wants to really talk about mental health? I'm in favor of not having crazy people owning firearms, knives, explosives, etc. but how is this going to be implemented? Who determines who's crazy and who's not? What's the criteria for been labeled crazy?
It's not an easy fix. 4951
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nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 1 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Apr 2, '14 10:50pm  
@traxlaI'm not saying it is an easy fix, but it certainly won't get fixed if no one ever talks about it. That's part of the problem. It's a taboo subject, and those who do struggle with mental health aren't encouraged to get help. 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 3, '14 5:37am  
@traxlaI'm not saying it is an easy fix, but it certainly won't get fixed if no one ever talks about it. That's part of the problem. It's a taboo subject, and those who do struggle with mental health aren't encouraged to get help.
 
@nikkiole: After Columbine many mental health experts admitted Government officials were immediately rushing to push gun control without addressing the real issue and even called this effort a bandaid approach to a long term problem. Nik You should know that the Government looks for easy short term fixes to issues like this and certain politicians are looking to capitalize deaths under the guise of making them look like saviors rather than addressing issues you have suggested.
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 3, '14 6:32am  
The answer to your question is rooted in politics.  And before anyone jumps on me about being a "liberal" my opinion is not based upon ideology.  Having said that, the simple fact of the matter is any restrictions on those deemed mentally unstable from being legally able to obtain firearms would most likely be opposed by the NRA.  Most politicians, particularly in the South, are afraid of being targeted by this organization.  Therefore they shy away from issues such as this that have the potential of costing them politically.Further as Traxla indicated, the argument would be what exactly is considered mentally unfit?  Who would make that determination?  Then assuming those questions are answered, there would be many that would be suspicious of the government (state or national) proposing any restrictions as they would see this as a guise to slowly eroding gun rights.  It would take a group of politicians with extreme courage on both sides of the political spectrum to tackle such a weighty issue.  Unfortunately for the reasons I state above, these brave souls are not great in number. 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 3, '14 6:52am  
Having said that, the simple fact of the matter is any restrictions on those deemed mentally unstable from being legally able to obtain firearms would most likely be opposed by the NRA.  
 
@rocket: So...that's a fact, huh?  
Yep...a liberal, that's fo-sho! 4951
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 3, '14 7:01am  

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@rocket: So...that's a fact, huh?  
Yep...a liberal, that's fo-sho!
 
@jax: You seemed to have passed over the words "most likely".  If someone says something is most likely to happen they are indicating it's NOT a definite outcome.  Yep...a conservative, that's fo-sho!*Edit*  Additionally your response makes my point as to why MOST politicians won't touch this issue with a ten foot pole.
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 3, '14 7:22am  
Before anyone jumps on me about being a "conservative", it's a FACT that most-likely, liberals will jump at the chance of saying the NRA will fight a ban on those deemed mentally unstable.YES...that's a FACT.   4951
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 3, '14 7:23am  

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@rocket: So...that's a fact, huh?  
Yep...a liberal, that's fo-sho!
 
@jax: You seemed to have passed over the words "most likely".  If someone says something is most likely to happen they are indicating it's NOT a definite outcome.  Yep...a conservative, that's fo-sho!*Edit*  Additionally your response makes my point as to why MOST politicians won't touch this issue with a ten foot pole.
 
@rocket: If that's the case, Rocket, why say it's a FACT at all?
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 3, '14 7:51am  

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@rocket: So...that's a fact, huh?  
Yep...a liberal, that's fo-sho!
 
@jax: You seemed to have passed over the words "most likely".  If someone says something is most likely to happen they are indicating it's NOT a definite outcome.  Yep...a conservative, that's fo-sho!*Edit*  Additionally your response makes my point as to why MOST politicians won't touch this issue with a ten foot pole.
 
@rocket: If that's the case, Rocket, why say it's a FACT at all?
 
@jax: There's a difference between a definite fact and political calculation.  What I'm trying to point out is political calculation.
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 3, '14 8:05am  
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~ 9 years ago   Apr 3, '14 8:17am  

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@rocket: So...that's a fact, huh?  
Yep...a liberal, that's fo-sho!
 
@jax: You seemed to have passed over the words "most likely".  If someone says something is most likely to happen they are indicating it's NOT a definite outcome.  Yep...a conservative, that's fo-sho!*Edit*  Additionally your response makes my point as to why MOST politicians won't touch this issue with a ten foot pole.
 
@rocket: If that's the case, Rocket, why say it's a FACT at all?
 
@jax: There's a difference between a definite fact and political calculation.  What I'm trying to point out is political calculation.
 
@rocket: No sir...it's YOUR opinion. It is definitely NOT a fact, no matter how you want to spin it.
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