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Ukrainian citizens want guns

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by: Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 1:40pm  
Now that the president/dictator of the Ukraine has been driven out, Ukrainian citizens are demanding that they have something equivalent to our 2nd Amendment (right to bear arms).  No matter how loud the anti-gun people cry "Save the children", the real reason behind gun control is to disarm the citizens.  Unarmed citizens make it easier for the politicians to do what they want because then only the army and law enforcement will have firearms and those agencies work for the politicians. 4951
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Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 3:52pm  
Check out the "humble abode" of outcast Ukrainian President/Dictator Yanukovych.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10656023/In-pictures-Inside-the-palace-Yanukovych-didnt-want-Ukraine-to-see.html?frame=2834874 4951
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~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 4:16pm  
The 2nd Amendment does not grant the right to bear arms.  The 2nd Amendment partially describes the right.If a document can grant a right, then a document can take away a right.  That's why the FF's clearly stated that our rights come from the Creator (God). 4951
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~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 4:34pm  
The 2nd Amendment does not grant the right to bear arms.  The 2nd Amendment partially describes the right.If a document can grant a right, then a document can take away a right.  That's why the FF's clearly stated that our rights come from the Creator (God).
 
@fcabanski: Clearly stated where?
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Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 4:42pm  
The 2nd Amendment does not grant the right to bear arms.  The 2nd Amendment partially describes the right.If a document can grant a right, then a document can take away a right.  That's why the FF's clearly stated that our rights come from the Creator (God).
 
@fcabanski:  Wrong.  No where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights is the word God used.  And rights ARE created, and taken away, with documents.  It happens all the time.
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~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 4:47pm  
It isn't written anywhere in the Constitution, even in the Bill of Rights, that the rights are granted by the Constitution or limited by the descriptions in the Constitution.The Founding Fathers were clear about this point.  They wrote the Declaration of Independence.  Beware of people who try to discount that document."We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." 4951
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~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 4:48pm  
@Retired_EngineerDidn't the Founding Fathers mention "inalienable rights" that cannot be taken away by law? 4951
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Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 4:51pm  
@Retired_EngineerDidn't the Founding Fathers mention "inalienable rights" that cannot be taken away by law?
 
@nikkiole:  That's in the Declaration of Independence.  Those "rights" are all concerning our independence and ability to govern ourselves.After we gained our independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights defined how our federal government is supposed to work and what "rights" we have as citizens.
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~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 4:52pm  
No they didn't mention "inalienable" rights.  They mentioned "unalienable" rights.  Jefferson, a skilled orator and writer, mentioned "unalienable" rights - to be specific.  In other words, he used the word "unalienable" purposely and with good reason.Today, "scholars" claim the words mean the same thing.  But the words don't mean the same thing.Both inalienable and unalienable rights cannot be taken by force or by law.  But inalienable rights can be sold or traded by the person who holds the rights.  Unalienable rights cannot be sold or traded. 4951
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~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 4:54pm  
"  That's in the
Declaration of Independence.  Those "rights" are all concerning our
independence and ability to govern ourselves."Those rights did not just concern independence and self governance.  They concerned the individual.This is why some of the founders didn't want to include the Bill of Rights in the Constitution.  They were afraid that people would falsely believe that the Constitution granted or defined the rights, rather than that the Constitution just partially described the rights. 4951
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~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 5:05pm  
No they didn't mention "inalienable" rights.  They mentioned "unalienable" rights.  Jefferson, a skilled orator and writer, mentioned "unalienable" rights - to be specific.  In other words, he used the word "unalienable" purposely and with good reason.Today, "scholars" claim the words mean the same thing.  But the words don't mean the same thing.Both inalienable and unalienable rights cannot be taken by force or by law.  But inalienable rights can be sold or traded by the person who holds the rights.  Unalienable rights cannot be sold or traded.
 
@fcabanski: Um....ok.....
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Retired_Engineer Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 10 years ago   Feb 27, '14 7:32pm  
"  That's in the
Declaration of Independence.  Those "rights" are all concerning our
independence and ability to govern ourselves."Those rights did not just concern independence and self governance.  They concerned the individual.This is why some of the founders didn't want to include the Bill of Rights in the Constitution.  They were afraid that people would falsely believe that the Constitution granted or defined the rights, rather than that the Constitution just partially described the rights.
 
@fcabanski:  And so the Bill of Rights is a DOCUMENT that defines and gives certain RIGHTS to the citizens that the federal government is not supposed to change.... with ANOTHER document.
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